Various Topics on Alternative Medicine

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http://www.healthsentinel.com/news.p...st_item&id=789

"Acetaminophen linked to risk of respiratory ills", Reuters, May 3,
2005,
Link:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=8376719

Regular use of the painkiller acetaminophen, also known as paracetamol,
is ***ociated with higher rates of asthma and chronic obstructive
pulmonary disease (COPD) and reduced lung function, according to a new
study.

Animal experiments have suggested that acetaminophen might lower
antioxidant activity in the lungs, explain Dr. Tricia M. McKeever, at
City Hospital in Nottingham, UK, and her ***ociates in the American
Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine.

Whether this experimental evidence translates to an effect on human
respiratory disease has been unclear. The team therefore evaluated data
from the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES
III), conducted between 1988 and 1994 in the US.

Among the 13,492 subjects in the study, 6.9 percent had asthma, 11.8
percent had COPD and 2.8 percent had both respiratory illnesses.

Overall, 4.3 percent of the participants reported that they used
acetaminophen daily. Another 8.2 percent and 2.5 percent, respectively,
reported daily use of aspirin and ibuprofen.

The use of acetaminophen was ***ociated with an increased risk of both
asthma and COPD, and the risk increased in step with the dose.

Lung function was also lower among those using acetaminophen daily.

In contrast, taking aspirin or ibuprofen was not ***ociated with
respiratory illness.

This does not necessarily mean that acetaminophen should be avoided,
however. "The potential risk of acetaminophen must ultimately be
estimated through a balance consideration of the positive benefit and
the potential harm if these medications were substituted with others,"
McKeever's group advises.

SOURCE: American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, May
2005.

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"Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> writes:
> "Acetaminophen linked to risk of respiratory ills",
> SOURCE: American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine,
> May 2005.

We have some decongestant pills with acetaminophen in them. Sounds
like they should go right into the trash.

--
Alison Chaiken "From:" address above is valid.
(650) 236-2231 [daytime] http://www.wsrcc.com/alison/
"You can't fall down when you're kneeling." -- church sign in
Brownwood, TX via Paige M.

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Of course, it is just as likely that it is the other way around -
people with asthma and COPD take more acetominophen. Maybe they have
more pain or ill health and tend to avoid NSAIDs due to fear of
triggering their asthma, stomach problems (while also on prednisone?),
or some similar reason.

So, yeah - if what you want is a decongestant or expectorant there is
no reason to take one with Tylenol, but if you have a fever or pain I
don't think there is much reason to hessitate right now.

Personally, this just reinforces my long standing preference to have
single ingredient meds and to just take the ones needed to treat the
symptoms I am having at that particular moment.

--
00doc

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"00doc" <forum@goheavy.com> wrote in message
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> Of course, it is just as likely that it is the other way around - people
> with asthma and COPD take more acetominophen. Maybe they have more pain or
> ill health and tend to avoid NSAIDs due to fear of triggering their
> asthma, stomach problems (while also on prednisone?), or some similar
> reason.
>
> So, yeah - if what you want is a decongestant or expectorant there is no
> reason to take one with Tylenol, but if you have a fever or pain I don't
> think there is much reason to hessitate right now.
>
> Personally, this just reinforces my long standing preference to have
> single ingredient meds and to just take the ones needed to treat the
> symptoms I am having at that particular moment.
>
> --
> 00doc
>

Diphenhydramine (& pseudoephedrine on real bad days) for my antihistamine
relief, personally. Me & my liver hate APAP.

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"rastapasta" <rastapasta at ev1 dot net> wrote in message
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>
> Diphenhydramine (& pseudoephedrine on real bad days) for my antihistamine
> relief, personally. Me & my liver hate APAP.
>

lol
ok. bad English.
Rephrase:
My liver & I hate APAP.

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That makes a lot of sense and is what I try to do. I have aspirin, tylenol and
ibuprofen on the shelf but none of the mixtures. If I want a decongestant I
take pseudoephedrine, for an expectorant guaifenesin and for pain I alternate
tylenol and ibuprofen. If I start to have a sneezing bout from pollen I take
allegra, 12 hour. None of that 24 hour stuff for me. And I take 81 mg. aspirin
daily because they say that is good to do.

Those are the only things I use and I am pretty healthy.

Ora


On Wed, 4 May 2005 00:04:10 -0400, "00doc" <forum@goheavy.com> wrote:

>Of course, it is just as likely that it is the other way around -
>people with asthma and COPD take more acetominophen. Maybe they have
>more pain or ill health and tend to avoid NSAIDs due to fear of
>triggering their asthma, stomach problems (while also on prednisone?),
>or some similar reason.
>
>So, yeah - if what you want is a decongestant or expectorant there is
>no reason to take one with Tylenol, but if you have a fever or pain I
>don't think there is much reason to hessitate right now.
>
>Personally, this just reinforces my long standing preference to have
>single ingredient meds and to just take the ones needed to treat the
>symptoms I am having at that particular moment.

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Amen, I find it incredible that doctors love APAP and hate
aspirin. I cannot believe the level of APAP recommended
and the level that hurts you are about the same.
Take 30 aspirin, you barf and get the runs and feel sick.
Take 30 tylenol and you might die a horrible painful death.

> Rephrase:
> My liver & I hate APAP.

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Tom Malcolm wrote:
> Amen, I find it incredible that doctors love APAP and hate
> aspirin. I cannot believe the level of APAP recommended
> and the level that hurts you are about the same.
> Take 30 aspirin, you barf and get the runs and feel sick.
> Take 30 tylenol and you might die a horrible painful death.

Most docs recommend you do neither.

I do have to make one small correction. Take 30 aspirin and start
barfing blood, experiencing excrutiating abdominal and back pain, and
then (if you survive the bleeding) go into kidney failure.

Oh well.

The difference is that nearly all docs have seen several cases of
NSAID induced gastropathy and renal impairment (not to mention heart
failure and edema). Almost none ever see a case of APAP induced liver
failure.

--
00doc

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> The difference is that nearly all docs have seen several cases of
> NSAID induced gastropathy and renal impairment (not to mention heart
> failure and edema). Almost none ever see a case of APAP induced liver
> failure.

That's because it causes a bit of damage each time it is
taken at it's highest recommended dosage level or taken
with any booze. I know some people are allegic to
aspirin, but taking 5 times the recommended dose of
aspirin with a beer might give you the runs - doing that
with tylenol/APAP will damage your liver. How much,
depends - but if you make a habit of it, you will suffer
perm liver damage.

To me, putting APAP in norco, vicoden, etc, is like the
goverment spraying poison on pot fields. Innocent
people are hurt. Those in chronic or intensive pain,
tend to keep taking (eg) Vicodin pills until they can
get pain relief - like so they can sleep at night.
The same people drink to help them deal with pain.
Why guarantee liver damage in such cases?