Re: THE GREAT IRAQ MUSEUM LOOTING HOAX
> (Frank Warner) wrote in message news:< om>...
> > "Bucky Kaufman" <> wrote in message news:<Pe4Pa.2613$ igy.com>...
> > > "Frank Warner" <> wrote in message
> > > news: om...
> > > > THE GREAT IRAQ MUSEUM LOOTING HOAX
> > > >
> > > > Wright undoubtedly was overcome by the sheer volume of news reports -
> > > > almost all of them wrong for six to eight weeks, and later corrected
> > > > only in whispers - on the looting of the Iraq National Museum.
> > >
> > > We all saw the footage as US Customs agents seized hundreds of Iraqi
> > > treasures that Soldiers and Information Agents were trying to smuggle into
> > > the US... and that's just the stuff that was smuggled into THIS country.
> > > The Brittish have a long tradition of looting Arab nations for their ancient
> > > treasures.
> > >
> > > To now claim that it never happened requires a HUGE leap of faith.
> > What never happened was that the U.S. Marines watched phostinghostinghostingively as 80
> > to 100 percent of the artifacts of the Iraq National Museum was
> > stolen, as the world press reported hundreds of times in April.
> What people were perplexed about was this,
> 1. US soldiers on guard outside the ministry of oil
> 2. Iraqi civilians looting the museum and hospitals.
> Absolutely despicable that this was allowed to happen and clearly
> shows the interest of the Bush administration towards the "Iraqi
> People" vs Oil.
Do you know what is not inside the ministry of oil building? Oil.
But there were records inside that building about how Saddam Hussein
had diverted the Oil for Food money from his people and for his own
palaces and weapons.
And after three days of fighting, the Iraq National Museum was
secured, with at least 90 percent of its artifacts safely inside. Had
Saddam's snipers not been in and on the museum, and had Saddam's
lackeys kept the museum doors locked, even more of the artifacts would
have been saved.
And had the museum officials been even a little honest, the world's
press would not have been reporting for two full months that all, or
nearly all, of the museum's contents had been removed.
> > What happened was that Saddam's forces set up three sniper's nests in
> > and on the museum, preventing any effective guarding of the museum for
> > three days, and left a key museum door open to looters, who came in
> > and probably removed thousands of artifacts. In the chaos, the
> > looters also bashed in a door or two.
> The USA can fire a tank shell into the hotel that reporters are
> staying at, but would not do the same to stop the looting which
> occured over a seven day period??
> I wonder if a few snipers could have held of the USA forces from
> securing the ministry of oil? Hmmm I wonder???
> Are there any corroborating accounts from non US personnel that
> confirm the above story or is this Jessica Lynch re-visited in museum
> form??? That is are we being lied to again.???
Jessica Lynch was rescued, exactly as reported. If you'd bother to do
any checking at all, you'd know by now that the story of her capture
and injuries was screwed up, not by U.S. official sources, but by a
badly written article in the April 3 Washington Post.
> > As the shooting slowed, the U.S. Army took control of the museum and
> > saved at least 90 percent of the artifacts inside. That means up to
> > 17,000 lots of artifacts are gone, thanks primarily to Saddam's
> > forces. That's still much less than 170,000 lots lost forever, as
> > orginally reported.
> > And 32 of the 100 most important museum gallery pieces remain missing.
> > Investigators strongly suspect that the same museum officials who
> > pretended that the museum had been emptied also are pretending now not
> > to know what happened to these 32 treasures.
> > Frank Warner
> If what you say is true, thank God the scale of the tragedy is not as
> bad as the alleged 80-100% stolen figure.
I'd say yes, there is a difference between saying, as National Public
Radio said, that "the museum was stripped bare" on the one hand, and
then, on the other, discovering months later that 90 to 97 percent of
the museum's antiquities were saved.
It's also worth noting that the Iraqi snipers and possibly the Iraq
museum officials themselves, whose dishonesty has been obvious, bear
much of the blame for the losses that occurred.
> The above in no way abrogates USA responsibility to protect the museum
> and hospitals from civilian looters. And make no mistakes they were
> civilian, at the time of looting any Iraqi soldiers were being taken
> prisioner, i.e. main combat operations had ceased and were winding
The museum was secured as soon as shooting ended in that neighborhood.
Some of the shooting was coming from Saddam's snipers, based inside
the museum and on the museum roofs.
> Lets compare the WMD claim Vs the looted Museum claim, it's undeniable
> that the musuem was looted of many thousands of artifacts.
It's undeniable that at least 90 percent of the museum's contents were
saved, and probably thousands of artifacts were removed as snipers
kept U.S. Marine away and someone in the museum used museum keys to
make off with 32 significant artifacts.
That's not the story that was reported in April and May.
> Today the GW Bush administration continues to deflate the pre war
> posturing on WMD's. No nuclear or chem bio/weapons found. No mobile
> chem/bio weapons labs. Forged Niger dohostinghostinghostingents. Admitted by
> chickenhawks that Chem/bio argument used because it was something
> everyone could agree on for war it was a procedural/administrative
> lubricant to smooth the process for war. USA is Still desperately
> searching for a WMD program (revised down from actual WMD's). NO
> INDEPENDENT 3rd PARTY MONITORS/INSPECTORS ALLOWED. What is GW Bush
I don't care about weapons of mhostinghostinghosting destruction. I'm especially glad
none showed up while Iraq was liberated. The world has found Saddam's
mhostinghostinghosting graves and torture chambers and the prison for children who
didn't want to join Saddam's version of the Hitler Youth. And the
Iraqi people now have their best chance ever to build a free country.
One of those U.N. resolutions said Saddam was supposed to stop
mistreating his people. His tortures and murders never stopped while
he was in charge of Iraq. Now his fascist regime is gone, and Iraq
and the world are safer because Americans and British removed him.
> Why are you worried about essentially a TRUE story "the museum was
> looted" even you agree on that point. Yet I have yet to see you post
> any quesitons regards the lies told to you by GW Bush regards the
> pretext for the war i.e. the WMD's where are they???
Most of the news stories in April and May said the museum was looted
of everything -- or nearly everything -- inside while U.S. Marines
looked the other way. That's not "essentially a true story," when, in
fact, 90 to 97 percent of the museum's contents were saved and the
Marines did what they could, in the face of snipers and a not-so-small
city battle, to secure the museum buildings as soon as practical.
Everyone knew Saddam was mistreating his people, allowing them no
freedom, torturing them, murdering them, supporting terrorists,
violating terms of the 1991 truce, threatening neighbors and refusing
to account for the illegal weapons he had in 1998.
That was plenty reason to remove him. But then, there were the
friends of fascism who were willing to let Saddam torture and murder
Iraqis forever. They will have to live with their shame.