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> TSC, who else used to call Pablo, "Pablito"? The answer may give a
> clue to the arrogance and ignorance of its reply.

Its not Andre. Andre was posting from Portugal. This guy is posting
from Texas. And he's actually not so ignorant as you think.

'Twas Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:45:37 -0hostinghosting0 when all alt.sports.football.pro
stood in awe as "Paulo" <> uttered:

>THE ONLY CELLS THAT CANNOT BE REPLACED ARE NEURONS!!!
>
>All the other cells in the body reproduce
>
>This is basic knowledge...junior high school

Basic false knowledge. Most cells reproduce, but there are a few types
which don't. Once the lenses in the eyes become clear those cells no
longer reproduce.

And then there is telomere depletion.
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Kenneth Leja wrote:

> Anyway you lose it, you cannot regain lost muscle cells. It's
> scientifically impossible.
>

!!!

All the guys I know who have been in bike accidents, ripped muscles
playing sports and have lost bighostinghostinghosting chunks of muscle through various
other unfortunate cirhostinghostinghostingstances will be very disappointed to hear
they're just imagining the extra mhostinghostinghosting.

Come to think of it, all the muscle I've lost over the past few years
after breaking bones is irreplaceable too, right? Actually, no, I've
actually worked out bulkier in the places I've been hurt and that have
atrophied as a result - I'm not saying busting yourself up and losing
muscle through inactivity provides a boost when you start being able to
move again, just that your point is fundamentally flawed.


> I'm sure he still has alot of muscle left. One can lose weight by
> losing muscle mhostinghostinghosting without losing muscle cells. Consider a water
> balloon as a muscle cell. When it's expanded with more water, it
> weighs more. When some water is let out, it weighs less.
> I suspect this is how Roy Jones lost much of the weight. He
> deemphasized weight training as well as losing some more fat. He also
> might have taken some diuretics that sucked excess water out of his
> body.
> If he lost muscle by fasting then he's stupid because he'll never
> regain lost muscle cells again. They are irreplaceable.

IIRC, after the age of 25 men lose half a pound of muscle a year on
average, the way to avoid this is (fairly obviously) eating properly and
getting exercise. Building muscle is done by (essentially) damaging
muscle tissue, making it grow back stronger.

Another thing that caught my attention in that article you pasted ends
with this:

"But while a calorie-restricted diet appears to be very beneficial in
combating the effects of aging, Hepple adds that this is not a
practical solution."

It would probably be worth your while reading up on the effects a
calorie-restricted diet has on the length of an organisms life, granted
they haven't tested this on humans, but in the lab they've found that
yes, calorie-restricted diets slow the agind process, but as soon as the
calorie intake increases it speeds up again...

And I don't mean it goes back to normal, they've run these tests on
mice, feed some a whole bunch of food every meal for a year, restrict
the diet of others for the same time and although the calorie-controlled
mice age slower, shortly after they go back to a normal diet they
actually *catch up* with those that have been eating normally. Something
the article you pasted just doesn't mention at all.

I wouldn't find it a large stretch of the imagination that we damage
ourselves by fasting/lack of exercise or even that the cells grow back
messed up (think scar-tissue) but they do grow back, I've seen it happen
in a whole bunch of people, myself included.

"223rem" <> wrote in message
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>
> > TSC, who else used to call Pablo, "Pablito"? The answer may give a
> > clue to the arrogance and ignorance of its reply.
>
> Its not Andre. Andre was posting from Portugal. This guy is posting
> from Texas. And he's actually not so ignorant as you think.

Well, he started out with, "How does one lose muscle mhostinghostinghosting when keeping to an
extensive exercise
schedule and proper diet? When body runs out of food in the digestive
tract to burn, it starts burning fat."

"And, once you lose muscle you lose it forever, right? So if Jones did
lose 25 lbs of muscle and wants to become a heavyweight again he will
have to settle for 25 lbs of extra fat since his muscle is gone for
good." End of quote.

That's to say that every POW who has shriveled down to next to nothing has:
Either never gained back any muscle they lost or only lost body fat to begin
with.

So, I couldn't give a hostinghostinghostinghosting what he has to say at this point.

Kenneth Leja wrote:

> Apparently use of muscle not only expands muscle mhostinghostinghosting but sends
> signals to the brain to maintain the cell level in that muscular
> region.

Yet when you starve yourself, your body opts to burns muscle over fat...

Isn't evolution wonderful? we've been around for eons, and our bodies
still haven't figured out we can't replace muscle cells (and don't want
excess fat).

Survival of the fittest my hostinghostinghosting... Or it could be your mistaken, I'm
going to go with "you're mistaken", sorry.

Sorry, didn't realise I was crossposting until it was too late - I did
hit cancel while it was going!

Didn't work though :/

"The Sanity Cruzer" <> wrote in message
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> "Kenneth Leja" <> wrote in message
> news: om...
> > "The Sanity Cruzer" <> wrote in message
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>
> > > IIRC, it is only the heart muscle which
> > > cannot regenerate new cells and heal itself. Your copying an article
> from
> > > some oddball source is hardly what I would consider to be
authoritative.
> I
> > > am not saying there is any single source or theory on this subject,
but
> I
> > > will take Pablo's comments and opinions over someone who suddently
shows
> up
> > > and comes off as some flake.
> >
> > It's not an oddball source. I first found this info in medical books
> > in libaries. And, contrary to what you think, once brain cells are
> > dead they are dead for good as well. Of course, stem cell research
> > might change all this but brain cells or neurons, once destroyed, are
> > gone for good.
>
> I was referring to muscle cells in the body. That is what this discussion
> is about, isn't it?
>

Quoting directly from Guyton and Hall's "Textbook of Medical Physiology",
10th ed, p 972:

"..with training, the muscles can become hypertrophied perhaps an
additional 30 to 60 %. Most of this hypertrophy results from increased
diameter of the muscle fibers rather than incread numbers of fibers, but
this probably is not entirely true, because a very few greatly enlarged
muscle fibers are believed to split down the middle along their entire
length to form entirely new fibers, thus increasing the number of fibers
slightly."

In addition, skeletal muscle contains partially differentiated stem cells,
which can produce new muscle cells. It is precisely because of this ability
that transplant of skeletal muscle stem cells into damaged heart tissue is
being investigated as a treatment for heart disease.
Menasche P. Skeletal muscle satellite cell transplantation. Cardiovasc
Res. 2003 May 1;58(2):351-7.

btw,
The Sanity Cruiser had it right when he said that muscle cells from the
heart are the only ones that can't replicate. That's why a a heart attack
can be so devastating.


Cheers,
tjh7
>

Kenneth, The next time you see your doctor, try convincing him or her
that "lost muscle cells can not be replaced"

You don't know what you are talking about. You don't even understand
clearly what the subject is

Calling an ignorant statement a "scientific fact", by way of
justification, makes you sound like Granny from Beverly Hillbillies.
Sweet, endearing, but dumb as a brick.

The next time you see your doctor, try convincing him or her that
"lost muscle cells can not be replaced". You might learn something
from it.

> It's not an oddball source. I first found this info in medical books
> in libaries. And, contrary to what you think, once brain cells are
> dead they are dead for good as well. Of course, stem cell research
> might change all this but brain cells or neurons, once destroyed, are
> gone for good.

There have been some success with stem cells replace dead heart muscle
in animals. I believe human trials are in progress.
It is difficult to obtain good
sources of human stem cells in the US.

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 04:45:43 GMT, 223rem <>
enlightened us:

>
>> TSC, who else used to call Pablo, "Pablito"? The answer may give a
>> clue to the arrogance and ignorance of its reply.
>
>Its not Andre. Andre was posting from Portugal. This guy is posting
>from Texas. And he's actually not so ignorant as you think.
>
>

Please, he's a rock.

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