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JoeyP <> wrote in message news:<>...
> Lord Thanatos wrote:
> > "Robert Phillips" <> wrote in message
> > news:jHwub.1416$ ..
> >
> >>
> >>Locutus wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>You are clueless if you think Gonzalez is the LHW champ and RJJ is just
> >>
> > a
> >
> >>>hostinghostinghostingle holder.
> >>
> >>
> >>Roy Jones is not the lt.heavy champ. In fact, Jones has never won a
> >>real world championship. He needs to fight Julio Gonzalez in order to
> >>win a world hostinghostinghostingle.
> >>
> >>
> >>Pie King
> >
> >
> > Lol!!!! Oh Come Pie, You can do better than that. There has to be atleast
> > one person left on this newsgroup that isn`t sick of our favorite argument.
> > I swear I thought I saw that dead horse move. Come on, kick it a few more
> > times (just for old times sake).
> >
> > LT
> >
> >
>
> Ok LT, I'll bite...Haven't seen you around in a while...Just as I have
> only recently returned..
>
> IMO, DM's claim to the "lineal" hostinghostinghostingle is just as bogus as any other
> "lineal" hostinghostinghostingle. The lineal hostinghostinghostingles are pretty worthless because I see no
> CLEAR CUT way of determining the next champ after the current one dies,
> retires, or moves on up in weight. I have heard that it's the first guy
> to unify the major 3 belts, I have heard it's the first fight between
> the #1 and #2 guys, I have even heard, at one point, that the current
> champ CHOOSES the next guy, or at least chooses who will fight for
> it--remind me again when that one came up?--
>
> JoeyP

There are four not three major scantioning bodies the (in order of
age) WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO not that it matters much.
Kip

Hey LT....Not "Mini-Pie" How about "Pie-Lite"?
Though he and I see things close to the same logically,
I tend to ramble on alot more while he is very defining and
articulate in his post.

Ok. Here we go. Beating the very dead horse.

In the first paragraph, you put a TON of weight on the ABC hostinghostinghostingles by
stating the first guy who gets 3 of them, is the new champion. Whether
you know it or not, that makes those hostinghostinghostingles MUCH more than worthless.
Let's say Byrd ends up with the hostinghostinghostingle RJJ now holds at HW. He then
would have 2. If Lewis then retires, Byrd only has to get one more to
become the new "champ". Since he only has to get one more, his two then
become VERY important. After putting this responsibility on the ABC
hostinghostinghostingles(determining the "new" champ) you then go on to say they are
worthless. Let's go a bit further.. Let's say Lewis is stripped of his
final ABC hostinghostinghostingle, but he continues to fight. He picks up lets say two
more big money fights-Tyson and Jones for argument's sake. He wins
both, then retires as the lineal champ. In the mean time, Byrd has won
those hostinghostinghostingles(3) and is now the "unified" champ. According to you, Byrd
then automatically becomes the new "lineal" champ the moment Lewis
retires because of his 3 ABC hostinghostinghostingles. Is all that correct? If so, that
puts ALOT of importance on the ABC hostinghostinghostingles and just proves how important
they really are.

Also, we have to debate what IS a "major" hostinghostinghostingle. You(and others) seem
to think that the WBO is a "major" hostinghostinghostingle. I do not. Ring Magazine does
not. HBO does not. The way I see it, RJJ was the first guy to unify
all 3 major hostinghostinghostingles(WBA,WBC,IBF), including the one that Spinks held, so
he should actually be the "new" champ. By your definition, Virgil Hill
was never
"Champ" as he never held 3 major hostinghostinghostingles. Also, if you humor me and
allow that the WBO is NOT a major hostinghostinghostingle, DM never held the 3 major
hostinghostinghostingles either.

I agree with you on the HW division. Lewis is clearly the man to beat.
But not because he beat Briggs, but because he unified all 3 major
hostinghostinghostingles. I understand why he gave up one not to fight Ruiz. Instead of
fighting Ruiz and keeping that hostinghostinghostingle, he fought the much more highly
thought of(at the time) Grant. Though I still to this day believe he
dodged Byrd and gave up that hostinghostinghostingle to keep from fighting him. Correct
me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that about the time of the Lewis/Tyson
fight? If so, then he gave up that hostinghostinghostingle for a big money fight.

Have you ever heard the phrase "Perception is reality"? I am sure you
have. And that is also one of the reasons RJJ is LHW "CHAMP" The
Marlins just won the "World Series" in the MLB. Does that really make
them the WORLD champs? The very best. How many countries were allowed
to have a team compete to qualify for the "World Series"? Two? Yet it
is perceived they are the "World Champs".

How many "world" teams got to compete for the "world champ" in the NBA?
Yet the Spurs are perceived as the Champs. Though it was very recently
the NBA players did not even place at the true world championships.

RJJ is perceived to be the champ at LHW because he unified the 3 major
hostinghostinghostingles. Why DM was stripped of two of those hostinghostinghostingles I honestly don't
know. If you have any links that points to those reasons, I honestly
would like to read them. RJJ didn't strip DM. RJJ just did what any
other fighter would do. He had a chance to fight for a
vacated(stripped) hostinghostinghostingle so he did it. Hill did the same thing and I bet
most others would also.

Anyway, enjoyed yapping at ya a bit LT. I of course expect a
reply...You know we just can't leave this alone...

JoeyP









Lord Thanatos wrote:
> Hey, Its Mini-Pie!! Hows it going Joey..
>
> See it is real simple.. If the reigning Champion retires, then the first
> fighter to achostinghostinghostingulate 3 major hostinghostinghostingles becomes the new Champion.
>
> The ABC`s hostinghostinghostingles are worthless because of the corrupt sanctioning bodies
> that are behind them. They strip hostinghostinghostingles for all the wrong reasons and
> protect the fighters that they get paid the most in sanctioning fees.
>
> The Heavyweight Division is the clearest example. Anyone with an ounce of
> common sense knows that Lewis it the Champion. But the sanctioning bodies
> have stripped some of his hostinghostinghostingles and given them to other fighters. This in
> no way means that Lewis is not the Champion.
>
> The same thing happened at Lt. Heavy. DM won the hostinghostinghostingles (and the Lineal
> Championship) in the ring. The sanctioning bodies immediately stripped 2 of
> the major hostinghostinghostingles from him for no valid reason. Sorry, he was still the Champ
> even if the ABC`s didn't like it. He beat the existing Champion. Who the
> sanctioning bodies choose to give the belts to is irrelevant. DM went into
> the ring and beat the Champion. Now he has been beaten in the Ring by
> Gonzalez. That makes Gonzalez the new Champ. The belts are meaningless
> because they no longer belonged to the Champion.
>
> In the past year, My respect for RJJ has grown tremendously. I give him
> major accolades for stepping up against Ruiz. That was real Challenge and
> dispelled my strongest critisms of him. Taver was great opponent and RJJ
> beat him as well. But he still has yet to win the Championship at Lt. Heavy
> or Heavy even though he hold hostinghostinghostingles in both.
> RJJ can not be THE heavyweight champ by beating Ruiz because Ruiz was just a
> hostinghostinghostingle Holder and not a Champion.
> Same applies to Lt. Heavy. RJJ has beat all the hostinghostinghostingles Holders but he's not
> yet faced the Champion.
>
> LT
>
>

Kip King wrote:
> JoeyP <> wrote in message news:<>...
>
>>Lord Thanatos wrote:
>>
>>>"Robert Phillips" <> wrote in message
>>>news:jHwub.1416$ om...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Locutus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You are clueless if you think Gonzalez is the LHW champ and RJJ is just
>>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>hostinghostinghostingle holder.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Roy Jones is not the lt.heavy champ. In fact, Jones has never won a
>>>>real world championship. He needs to fight Julio Gonzalez in order to
>>>>win a world hostinghostinghostingle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Pie King
>>>
>>>
>>>Lol!!!! Oh Come Pie, You can do better than that. There has to be atleast
>>>one person left on this newsgroup that isn`t sick of our favorite argument.
>>>I swear I thought I saw that dead horse move. Come on, kick it a few more
>>>times (just for old times sake).
>>>
>>>LT
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Ok LT, I'll bite...Haven't seen you around in a while...Just as I have
>>only recently returned..
>>
>>IMO, DM's claim to the "lineal" hostinghostinghostingle is just as bogus as any other
>>"lineal" hostinghostinghostingle. The lineal hostinghostinghostingles are pretty worthless because I see no
>>CLEAR CUT way of determining the next champ after the current one dies,
>>retires, or moves on up in weight. I have heard that it's the first guy
>>to unify the major 3 belts, I have heard it's the first fight between
>>the #1 and #2 guys, I have even heard, at one point, that the current
>>champ CHOOSES the next guy, or at least chooses who will fight for
>>it--remind me again when that one came up?--
>>
>>JoeyP
>
>
> There are four not three major scantioning bodies the (in order of
> age) WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO not that it matters much.
> Kip

That is yours(and other's) opinion. It is my opinion that the WBO is not
a MAJOR hostinghostinghostingle. Ring Magazine does not consider them a MAJOR hostinghostinghostingle
either and does not even carry their ranking in their magaizine. The
"Ring Champ" can be filled by winning all 3 ABC hostinghostinghostingles...WBO not included.

I know Kip is a big lineal beleiver. Educate me please. Which lineal
hostinghostinghostingle was filled by the retiring champ choosing who would fill it or
fight for it?

JoeyP

JoeyP wrote:


> In the first paragraph, you put a TON of weight on the ABC hostinghostinghostingles by
> stating the first guy who gets 3 of them, is the new champion. Whether
> you know it or not, that makes those hostinghostinghostingles MUCH more than worthless.


That gaping hole in the linear logic never fails to amuse me. They
constantly criticize the alphabets, talk about how corrupt they are,
talk about how their hostinghostinghostingles are bought and sold, but when it's time to
go line up a linear hostinghostinghostingle, who do they run to? Whose decisions do they
support? The alphabets'. Hysterical.

> In the mean time, Byrd has won
> those hostinghostinghostingles(3) and is now the "unified" champ. According to you, Byrd
> then automatically becomes the new "lineal" champ the moment Lewis
> retires because of his 3 ABC hostinghostinghostingles. Is all that correct? If so, that
> puts ALOT of importance on the ABC hostinghostinghostingles and just proves how important
> they really are.
>
> Also, we have to debate what IS a "major" hostinghostinghostingle. You(and others) seem
> to think that the WBO is a "major" hostinghostinghostingle. I do not. Ring Magazine does
> not. HBO does not.


I still consider them to be in a sort of limbo, where some of their
champs are legitimate, and some simply aren't. The WBO doesn't have the
track record, IMO, where all of their champs across the board deserve to
be said to have won a "world hostinghostinghostingle." I'm willing to consider the
Klitschkos or Joe Calzaghe or Chris Eubank (at 168) to be world champs
or former champs, but I'm not really interested in calling Francisco
Damiani or Felix Sturm world champs. That's probably a blatant double
standard and completely hypocritical, but that's the danger we run into
whenever we subscribe completely to any particular system - sooner or
later, adhering so stubbornly to one philosophy inevitably causes us to
come up against a scenario that we feel obligated to defend, but no
matter how we try, we just can't defend reasonably (like calling Julio
Gonzalez "the world champion").

> RJJ is perceived to be the champ at LHW because he unified the 3 major
> hostinghostinghostingles. Why DM was stripped of two of those hostinghostinghostingles I honestly don't
> know. If you have any links that points to those reasons, I honestly
> would like to read them.


Essentially, the WBA wanted him to choose between their belt and the
WBO's, so he chose the WBO and allowed the WBA to strip him. The IBF
stripped him for refusing to fight William Guthrie (the mandatory
contender) within a month after winning the IBF hostinghostinghostingle from Virgil Hill,
as he was required to do.


Pie

"Kip King" <> wrote in message
news: om...
> CatchMe (Young Goodman) wrote in message
news:<>...
> > >Subject: Re: Roy Jones JR question
> > >From: Robert Phillips
> > >Date: 11/18/2003 7:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
> > >Message-id: <v5Bub.2074$>
> > >
> > >
> > >Young Goodman wrote:
> > >
> > >>>Subject: Re: Roy Jones JR question
> > >>>From: Robert Phillips
> > >>>Roy Jones is not the lt.heavy champ. In fact, Jones has never won a
> > >>>real world championship. He needs to fight Julio Gonzalez in order
to
> > >>>win a world hostinghostinghostingle.
> > >>>Pie King
> > >>
> > >> It all depends on what you mean by real world championship. And then
again
> > we
> > >> would need proof that such a hostinghostinghostingle even exists.
> > >
> > >
> > >Roy Jones has never won a world hostinghostinghostingle. In fact, he's never even fought
> > >for one. Julio Gonzalez is the lt.heavyweight champion. I'd like to
> > >see Jones fight Julio Gonzalez, so he could finally win a world
> > >championship.
> > >
> > >
> > >Pie
> > >
> >
> > Well not "in fact" because you haven't hostinghostinghostingigned a definition to what you
mean
> > by world hostinghostinghostingle. If you mean lineal hostinghostinghostingle, I don't know of one that
exists- or
> > in other words, I don't know one that's legitimate and formally
recognized.
> > ------------------------------------------
> > I will never be Republican. I could never be as good at Golf as they
are.
> > ------------------------------------------
> > ------------------------------------------
>
> Formally recognised by who? Some corrupt sanctioning body? What gives
> them authority?

the promoters give them authority, the boxers give them authority, the
trainers the managers give them authority, the tv networks give them
authority and the fans give them authority, thats who gives them authority,
if you disagree with all of the above thats fine but that only makes you
wrong and them right



This CBZ site is a non corrupt, non arbitrary, source

that site is so full of inconsistiences inaccuracies that its meaningless

"Kip King" <> wrote in message
news: om...
> JoeyP <> wrote in message news:<>...
> > Lord Thanatos wrote:
> > > "Robert Phillips" <> wrote in message
> > > news:jHwub.1416$ ..
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Locutus wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>You are clueless if you think Gonzalez is the LHW champ and RJJ is
just
> > >>
> > > a
> > >
> > >>>hostinghostinghostingle holder.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Roy Jones is not the lt.heavy champ. In fact, Jones has never won a
> > >>real world championship. He needs to fight Julio Gonzalez in order to
> > >>win a world hostinghostinghostingle.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Pie King
> > >
> > >
> > > Lol!!!! Oh Come Pie, You can do better than that. There has to be
atleast
> > > one person left on this newsgroup that isn`t sick of our favorite
argument.
> > > I swear I thought I saw that dead horse move. Come on, kick it a few
more
> > > times (just for old times sake).
> > >
> > > LT
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Ok LT, I'll bite...Haven't seen you around in a while...Just as I have
> > only recently returned..
> >
> > IMO, DM's claim to the "lineal" hostinghostinghostingle is just as bogus as any other
> > "lineal" hostinghostinghostingle. The lineal hostinghostinghostingles are pretty worthless because I see no
> > CLEAR CUT way of determining the next champ after the current one dies,
> > retires, or moves on up in weight. I have heard that it's the first guy
> > to unify the major 3 belts, I have heard it's the first fight between
> > the #1 and #2 guys, I have even heard, at one point, that the current
> > champ CHOOSES the next guy, or at least chooses who will fight for
> > it--remind me again when that one came up?--
> >
> > JoeyP
>
> There are four not three major scantioning bodies the (in order of
> age) WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO not that it matters much.
> Kip

the wBo is not a major scantioning body
there are 3 main scantioning bodies not 4

JoeyP <> wrote in message news:<>...
> Kip King wrote:
> > JoeyP <> wrote in message news:<>...
> >
> >>Lord Thanatos wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Robert Phillips" <> wrote in message
> >>>news:jHwub.1416$ om...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Locutus wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>You are clueless if you think Gonzalez is the LHW champ and RJJ is just
> >>>>
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>hostinghostinghostingle holder.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Roy Jones is not the lt.heavy champ. In fact, Jones has never won a
> >>>>real world championship. He needs to fight Julio Gonzalez in order to
> >>>>win a world hostinghostinghostingle.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Pie King
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Lol!!!! Oh Come Pie, You can do better than that. There has to be atleast
> >>>one person left on this newsgroup that isn`t sick of our favorite argument.
> >>>I swear I thought I saw that dead horse move. Come on, kick it a few more
> >>>times (just for old times sake).
> >>>
> >>>LT
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Ok LT, I'll bite...Haven't seen you around in a while...Just as I have
> >>only recently returned..
> >>
> >>IMO, DM's claim to the "lineal" hostinghostinghostingle is just as bogus as any other
> >>"lineal" hostinghostinghostingle. The lineal hostinghostinghostingles are pretty worthless because I see no
> >>CLEAR CUT way of determining the next champ after the current one dies,
> >>retires, or moves on up in weight. I have heard that it's the first guy
> >>to unify the major 3 belts, I have heard it's the first fight between
> >>the #1 and #2 guys, I have even heard, at one point, that the current
> >>champ CHOOSES the next guy, or at least chooses who will fight for
> >>it--remind me again when that one came up?--
> >>
> >>JoeyP
> >
> >
> > There are four not three major scantioning bodies the (in order of
> > age) WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO not that it matters much.
> > Kip
>
> That is yours(and other's) opinion. It is my opinion that the WBO is not
> a MAJOR hostinghostinghostingle. Ring Magazine does not consider them a MAJOR hostinghostinghostingle
> either and does not even carry their ranking in their magaizine. The
> "Ring Champ" can be filled by winning all 3 ABC hostinghostinghostingles...WBO not included.
>
> I know Kip is a big lineal beleiver. Educate me please. Which lineal
> hostinghostinghostingle was filled by the retiring champ choosing who would fill it or
> fight for it?
>
> JoeyP

That was heavyweight champ Jim Jeffries who retired in 1905 and chose
Marvin Hart and and Jack Root to fight for the hostinghostinghostingle. Hart won.
Kip

"SuperCalo" <> wrote in message news:<bpghd2$hg2$>...
> "Kip King" <> wrote in message
> news: om...
> > JoeyP <> wrote in message news:<>...
> > > Lord Thanatos wrote:
> > > > "Robert Phillips" <> wrote in message
> > > > news:jHwub.1416$ ..
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>Locutus wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>You are clueless if you think Gonzalez is the LHW champ and RJJ is
> just
> > > >>
> > > > a
> > > >
> > > >>>hostinghostinghostingle holder.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Roy Jones is not the lt.heavy champ. In fact, Jones has never won a
> > > >>real world championship. He needs to fight Julio Gonzalez in order to
> > > >>win a world hostinghostinghostingle.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Pie King
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lol!!!! Oh Come Pie, You can do better than that. There has to be
> atleast
> > > > one person left on this newsgroup that isn`t sick of our favorite
> argument.
> > > > I swear I thought I saw that dead horse move. Come on, kick it a few
> more
> > > > times (just for old times sake).
> > > >
> > > > LT
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ok LT, I'll bite...Haven't seen you around in a while...Just as I have
> > > only recently returned..
> > >
> > > IMO, DM's claim to the "lineal" hostinghostinghostingle is just as bogus as any other
> > > "lineal" hostinghostinghostingle. The lineal hostinghostinghostingles are pretty worthless because I see no
> > > CLEAR CUT way of determining the next champ after the current one dies,
> > > retires, or moves on up in weight. I have heard that it's the first guy
> > > to unify the major 3 belts, I have heard it's the first fight between
> > > the #1 and #2 guys, I have even heard, at one point, that the current
> > > champ CHOOSES the next guy, or at least chooses who will fight for
> > > it--remind me again when that one came up?--
> > >
> > > JoeyP
> >
> > There are four not three major scantioning bodies the (in order of
> > age) WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO not that it matters much.
> > Kip
>
> the wBo is not a major scantioning body
> there are 3 main scantioning bodies not 4

In my opinion it is. The WBO recognises the lineal lt. heavy champ. I
read Boxing Digest not Ring. Ring was the best 'till Nat Fleischer
died. Kip

JoeyP <> wrote in message news:<>...
> Kip King wrote:
> > JoeyP <> wrote in message news:<>...
> >
> >>Lord Thanatos wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Robert Phillips" <> wrote in message
> >>>news:jHwub.1416$ om...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Locutus wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>You are clueless if you think Gonzalez is the LHW champ and RJJ is just
> >>>>
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>hostinghostinghostingle holder.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Roy Jones is not the lt.heavy champ. In fact, Jones has never won a
> >>>>real world championship. He needs to fight Julio Gonzalez in order to
> >>>>win a world hostinghostinghostingle.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Pie King
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Lol!!!! Oh Come Pie, You can do better than that. There has to be atleast
> >>>one person left on this newsgroup that isn`t sick of our favorite argument.
> >>>I swear I thought I saw that dead horse move. Come on, kick it a few more
> >>>times (just for old times sake).
> >>>
> >>>LT
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Ok LT, I'll bite...Haven't seen you around in a while...Just as I have
> >>only recently returned..
> >>
> >>IMO, DM's claim to the "lineal" hostinghostinghostingle is just as bogus as any other
> >>"lineal" hostinghostinghostingle. The lineal hostinghostinghostingles are pretty worthless because I see no
> >>CLEAR CUT way of determining the next champ after the current one dies,
> >>retires, or moves on up in weight. I have heard that it's the first guy
> >>to unify the major 3 belts, I have heard it's the first fight between
> >>the #1 and #2 guys, I have even heard, at one point, that the current
> >>champ CHOOSES the next guy, or at least chooses who will fight for
> >>it--remind me again when that one came up?--
> >>
> >>JoeyP
> >
> >
> > There are four not three major scantioning bodies the (in order of
> > age) WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO not that it matters much.
> > Kip
>
> That is yours(and other's) opinion. It is my opinion that the WBO is not
> a MAJOR hostinghostinghostingle. Ring Magazine does not consider them a MAJOR hostinghostinghostingle
> either and does not even carry their ranking in their magaizine. The
> "Ring Champ" can be filled by winning all 3 ABC hostinghostinghostingles...WBO not included.
>
> I know Kip is a big lineal beleiver. Educate me please. Which lineal
> hostinghostinghostingle was filled by the retiring champ choosing who would fill it or
> fight for it?
>
> JoeyP

Heavyweight 1905.
Kip

Kip King wrote:
> JoeyP <> wrote in message news:<>...
>
>>Kip King wrote:
>>
>>>JoeyP <> wrote in message news:<>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Lord Thanatos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Robert Phillips" <> wrote in message
>>>>>news:jHwub.1416$ .com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Locutus wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You are clueless if you think Gonzalez is the LHW champ and RJJ is just
>>>>>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>hostinghostinghostingle holder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Roy Jones is not the lt.heavy champ. In fact, Jones has never won a
>>>>>>real world championship. He needs to fight Julio Gonzalez in order to
>>>>>>win a world hostinghostinghostingle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pie King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Lol!!!! Oh Come Pie, You can do better than that. There has to be atleast
>>>>>one person left on this newsgroup that isn`t sick of our favorite argument.
>>>>>I swear I thought I saw that dead horse move. Come on, kick it a few more
>>>>>times (just for old times sake).
>>>>>
>>>>>LT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ok LT, I'll bite...Haven't seen you around in a while...Just as I have
>>>>only recently returned..
>>>>
>>>>IMO, DM's claim to the "lineal" hostinghostinghostingle is just as bogus as any other
>>>>"lineal" hostinghostinghostingle. The lineal hostinghostinghostingles are pretty worthless because I see no
>>>>CLEAR CUT way of determining the next champ after the current one dies,
>>>>retires, or moves on up in weight. I have heard that it's the first guy
>>>>to unify the major 3 belts, I have heard it's the first fight between
>>>>the #1 and #2 guys, I have even heard, at one point, that the current
>>>>champ CHOOSES the next guy, or at least chooses who will fight for
>>>>it--remind me again when that one came up?--
>>>>
>>>>JoeyP
>>>
>>>
>>>There are four not three major scantioning bodies the (in order of
>>>age) WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO not that it matters much.
>>> Kip
>>
>>That is yours(and other's) opinion. It is my opinion that the WBO is not
>>a MAJOR hostinghostinghostingle. Ring Magazine does not consider them a MAJOR hostinghostinghostingle
>>either and does not even carry their ranking in their magaizine. The
>>"Ring Champ" can be filled by winning all 3 ABC hostinghostinghostingles...WBO not included.
>>
>>I know Kip is a big lineal beleiver. Educate me please. Which lineal
>>hostinghostinghostingle was filled by the retiring champ choosing who would fill it or
>>fight for it?
>>
>>JoeyP
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> That was heavyweight champ Jim Jeffries who retired in 1905 and chose
> Marvin Hart and and Jack Root to fight for the hostinghostinghostingle. Hart won.
> Kip


So, even though it was about 100 years ago, is that really the best way
to choose the new "champ"? Let the Retiring champ choose who fights for
it? Sounds really fair to me. To most people nowadays, most things in
1905 seems backwards. To me, this is one.

JoeyP