Boxing

I read at fightnews.com that Bob Arum say that now Barerra lost to Manny Pac',
his fighter, Juan Manuel Marquez is now the top featherweight in the world.

What the hell is he talking about. Never mind that Manny Pac' will make
Marquez his hostinghostinghostinghostinghosting by round five, he beat the percieved champion in that
division, Marco Antonia Barrera. When you beat the Champion in his weight
clhostinghostinghosting, I guess that makes you Champion.

Does that fartknocker have any shame?

Brian Davis
Riverdale, IL

PETE ROSE IS ALMOST IN THE HALL OF FAME!

In article <>, Brian Davis says...
>
>I read at fightnews.com that Bob Arum say that now Barerra lost to Manny Pac',
>his fighter, Juan Manuel Marquez is now the top featherweight in the world.
>
>What the hell is he talking about. Never mind that Manny Pac' will make
>Marquez his hostinghostinghostinghostinghosting by round five, he beat the percieved champion in that
>division, Marco Antonia Barrera. When you beat the Champion in his weight
>clhostinghostinghosting, I guess that makes you Champion.
>
He's a boxing promoter, right? He's promoting his fighter. That could mean
more dollars in his own pocket down the road.

>Does that fartknocker have any shame?
>
He's a boxing promoter, right? ;-)

-mwh

Well,

If he wants to promote his fighter, showing how stupid he is isn't the right
way. Common sense says that Manny Pac' is the Featherweight Champion of the
world. (I know this fact is giving Mendoza, Suliaman, and Knight fits). If he
wants he fighter to be the best in the world, his next phone call should be to
Murad Muhammad to get this fight done.

The fight will be a nice payday for both fighters and promoters, and Murad
Muhammad could do something to get that grill fixed.

In article <VWvub.30169$>, Mike
Haught<> writes:

>In article <>, Brian Davis
>says...
>>
>>I read at fightnews.com that Bob Arum say that now Barerra lost to Manny
>Pac',
>>his fighter, Juan Manuel Marquez is now the top featherweight in the world.
>>
>>What the hell is he talking about. Never mind that Manny Pac' will make
>>Marquez his hostinghostinghostinghostinghosting by round five, he beat the percieved champion in that
>>division, Marco Antonia Barrera. When you beat the Champion in his weight
>>clhostinghostinghosting, I guess that makes you Champion.
>>
>He's a boxing promoter, right? He's promoting his fighter. That could mean
>more dollars in his own pocket down the road.
>
>>Does that fartknocker have any shame?
>>
>He's a boxing promoter, right? ;-)
>



Brian Davis
Riverdale, IL

PETE ROSE IS ALMOST IN THE HALL OF FAME!

In article <>, Brian Davis says...
>
>In article <VWvub.30169$>, Mike
>Haught<> writes:
>
>>In article <>, Brian Davis
>>says...
>>>
>>>I read at fightnews.com that Bob Arum say that now Barerra lost to Manny
>>Pac',
>>>his fighter, Juan Manuel Marquez is now the top featherweight in the world.
>>>
>>>What the hell is he talking about. Never mind that Manny Pac' will make
>>>Marquez his hostinghostinghostinghostinghosting by round five, he beat the percieved champion in that
>>>division, Marco Antonia Barrera. When you beat the Champion in his weight
>>>clhostinghostinghosting, I guess that makes you Champion.
>>>
>>He's a boxing promoter, right? He's promoting his fighter. That could mean
>>more dollars in his own pocket down the road.
>>
>>>Does that fartknocker have any shame?
>>>
>>He's a boxing promoter, right? ;-)
>>
>
>Well,
>
>If he wants to promote his fighter, showing how stupid he is isn't the right
>way. Common sense says that Manny Pac' is the Featherweight Champion of the
>world. (I know this fact is giving Mendoza, Suliaman, and Knight fits). If he
>wants he fighter to be the best in the world, his next phone call should be to
>Murad Muhammad to get this fight done.
>
>The fight will be a nice payday for both fighters and promoters, and Murad
>Muhammad could do something to get that grill fixed.

The point is, Bob Arum is a boxing promoter. He's got no shame and he is going
to promote his own financial interest. How many times have we heard Arum and
DOn King make some outrageous claim into the camera or in print? SO often that
it doesn't shock most people.

-mwh

Mike Haught wrote:
> In article <>, Brian Davis says...
>
>>In article <VWvub.30169$>, Mike
>>Haught<> writes:
>>
>>
>>>In article <>, Brian Davis
>>>says...
>>>
>>>>I read at fightnews.com that Bob Arum say that now Barerra lost to Manny
>>>
>>>Pac',
>>>
>>>>his fighter, Juan Manuel Marquez is now the top featherweight in the world.
>>>>
>>>>What the hell is he talking about. Never mind that Manny Pac' will make
>>>>Marquez his hostinghostinghostinghostinghosting by round five, he beat the percieved champion in that
>>>>division, Marco Antonia Barrera. When you beat the Champion in his weight
>>>>clhostinghostinghosting, I guess that makes you Champion.
>>>>
>>>
>>>He's a boxing promoter, right? He's promoting his fighter. That could mean
>>>more dollars in his own pocket down the road.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Does that fartknocker have any shame?
>>>>
>>>
>>>He's a boxing promoter, right? ;-)
>>>
>>
>>Well,
>>
>>If he wants to promote his fighter, showing how stupid he is isn't the right
>>way. Common sense says that Manny Pac' is the Featherweight Champion of the
>>world. (I know this fact is giving Mendoza, Suliaman, and Knight fits). If he
>>wants he fighter to be the best in the world, his next phone call should be to
>>Murad Muhammad to get this fight done.
>>
>>The fight will be a nice payday for both fighters and promoters, and Murad
>>Muhammad could do something to get that grill fixed.
>
>
> The point is, Bob Arum is a boxing promoter. He's got no shame and he is going
> to promote his own financial interest. How many times have we heard Arum and
> DOn King make some outrageous claim into the camera or in print? SO often that
> it doesn't shock most people.
>
> -mwh


Sorry Mike, can't resist. Isn't RJJ a boxing promoter, his own in fact
and yet you hold him to a MUCH higher standard...RJJ probably talks more
hostinghostinghostinghosting than King and Arum combined. But thats not ok since he is just
trying to > That could mean
>>>>more dollars in his own pocket down the road.

JoeyP

In article <>, JoeyP says...
>
>Sorry Mike, can't resist. Isn't RJJ a boxing promoter, his own in fact
>and yet you hold him to a MUCH higher standard...RJJ probably talks more
>hostinghostinghostinghosting than King and Arum combined. But thats not ok since he is just
>trying to > That could mean
>>>>>more dollars in his own pocket down the road.
>
First of all, I was not excusing the Arum statement. Just saying that in the
context of boxing promoters' behavior, this is very typical.

Now, as to your point about RJJ being a promoter.

When boxing promoters are discussed in a historical sense, they tend to be
discussed (in no particular order)concerning; the quality of matchups they
promoted, the B.S. they promoted to the public, the fighters they ripped off,
the public that they ripped off, their lies, their ability to look you in the
eye and lie repeatedly, etc. Out of all of those examples, the good matchups
that they promoted are the least of what we talk about when we talk promoters.

You are saying that RJJ is at home amongst (and is better than the most
notorious of) the worst liars, cheats and shostinghostinghostingbags of the sporting world.

Remember that you said it, not me. ;-)

-mwh

Mike Haught wrote:
> In article <>, JoeyP says...
>
>>Sorry Mike, can't resist. Isn't RJJ a boxing promoter, his own in fact
>>and yet you hold him to a MUCH higher standard...RJJ probably talks more
>>hostinghostinghostinghosting than King and Arum combined. But thats not ok since he is just
>>trying to > That could mean
>>
>>>>>>more dollars in his own pocket down the road.
>>>>>
> First of all, I was not excusing the Arum statement. Just saying that in the
> context of boxing promoters' behavior, this is very typical.
>
> Now, as to your point about RJJ being a promoter.
>
> When boxing promoters are discussed in a historical sense, they tend to be
> discussed (in no particular order)concerning; the quality of matchups they
> promoted, the B.S. they promoted to the public, the fighters they ripped off,
> the public that they ripped off, their lies, their ability to look you in the
> eye and lie repeatedly, etc. Out of all of those examples, the good matchups
> that they promoted are the least of what we talk about when we talk promoters.
>
> You are saying that RJJ is at home amongst (and is better than the most
> notorious of) the worst liars, cheats and shostinghostinghostingbags of the sporting world.
>
> Remember that you said it, not me. ;-)
>
> -mwh


I am saying that in his role as a "promoter", RJJ's trash talking can be
seen as such. We both agree that it is more or less the promoters job
to build up interest in a fight by any means available to them.
That's the job of any promoter or pro sports agent. To see that his
client's name is in the spotlight as much as possible.

JoeyP

In article <>, JoeyP says...
>
>
>
>Mike Haught wrote:
>> In article <>, JoeyP says...
>>
>>>Sorry Mike, can't resist. Isn't RJJ a boxing promoter, his own in fact
>>>and yet you hold him to a MUCH higher standard...RJJ probably talks more
>>>hostinghostinghostinghosting than King and Arum combined. But thats not ok since he is just
>>>trying to > That could mean
>>>
>>>>>>>more dollars in his own pocket down the road.
>>>>>>
>> First of all, I was not excusing the Arum statement. Just saying that in the
>> context of boxing promoters' behavior, this is very typical.
>>
>> Now, as to your point about RJJ being a promoter.
>>
>> When boxing promoters are discussed in a historical sense, they tend to be
>> discussed (in no particular order)concerning; the quality of matchups they
>> promoted, the B.S. they promoted to the public, the fighters they ripped off,
>> the public that they ripped off, their lies, their ability to look you in the
>> eye and lie repeatedly, etc. Out of all of those examples, the good matchups
>> that they promoted are the least of what we talk about when we talk promoters.
>>
>> You are saying that RJJ is at home amongst (and is better than the most
>> notorious of) the worst liars, cheats and shostinghostinghostingbags of the sporting world.
>>
>> Remember that you said it, not me. ;-)
>>
>> -mwh
>
>
>I am saying that in his role as a "promoter", RJJ's trash talking can be
>seen as such. We both agree that it is more or less the promoters job
>to build up interest in a fight by any means available to them.
>That's the job of any promoter or pro sports agent. To see that his
>client's name is in the spotlight as much as possible.
>
>JoeyP
>
And I was trying to say that Arum's staement doesn't shock me. Most of what
comes out of a promoter's mouth is B.S. As for RJJ, I've been saying that about
RJJ for years too.

I know you're an RJJ fan. I would now advise you to make no further statements
that may compromise your ability to publicly support RJJ's career. ;-)

-mwh

Mike Haught wrote:
> In article <>, JoeyP says...
>
>>
>>
>>Mike Haught wrote:
>>
>>>In article <>, JoeyP says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sorry Mike, can't resist. Isn't RJJ a boxing promoter, his own in fact
>>>>and yet you hold him to a MUCH higher standard...RJJ probably talks more
>>>>hostinghostinghostinghosting than King and Arum combined. But thats not ok since he is just
>>>>trying to > That could mean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>more dollars in his own pocket down the road.
>>>>>>>
>>>First of all, I was not excusing the Arum statement. Just saying that in the
>>>context of boxing promoters' behavior, this is very typical.
>>>
>>>Now, as to your point about RJJ being a promoter.
>>>
>>>When boxing promoters are discussed in a historical sense, they tend to be
>>>discussed (in no particular order)concerning; the quality of matchups they
>>>promoted, the B.S. they promoted to the public, the fighters they ripped off,
>>>the public that they ripped off, their lies, their ability to look you in the
>>>eye and lie repeatedly, etc. Out of all of those examples, the good matchups
>>>that they promoted are the least of what we talk about when we talk promoters.
>>>
>>>You are saying that RJJ is at home amongst (and is better than the most
>>>notorious of) the worst liars, cheats and shostinghostinghostingbags of the sporting world.
>>>
>>>Remember that you said it, not me. ;-)
>>>
>>> -mwh
>>
>>
>>I am saying that in his role as a "promoter", RJJ's trash talking can be
>>seen as such. We both agree that it is more or less the promoters job
>>to build up interest in a fight by any means available to them.
>>That's the job of any promoter or pro sports agent. To see that his
>>client's name is in the spotlight as much as possible.
>>
>>JoeyP
>>
>
> And I was trying to say that Arum's staement doesn't shock me. Most of what
> comes out of a promoter's mouth is B.S. As for RJJ, I've been saying that about
> RJJ for years too.
>
> I know you're an RJJ fan. I would now advise you to make no further statements
> that may compromise your ability to publicly support RJJ's career. ;-)
>
> -mwh
Heck Mike, the difference is I don't take to seriously what RJJ says.
or any pro athlete for that matter. I know when RJJ is talking his
talk, it is just that. It's all talk. And pro athletes are more prone
to the "mouth runneth over" than most people. I think I have said
before I don't buy any of RJJ's talk like you probably don't. But, as
his own promoter/agent/manager. It is his job to talk about his
"client" as much as possible.

I am an RJJ fan. No doubt. But I also see no problem with criticizing
him either. My problem actually is the fight with Tyson. He no more
needs to fight Tyson than Lewis needed to. But then again, as Roy is
looking for one more huge payday, I can understand why he is trying to
make this fight from a dollar and cents perspective. Roy has fought
tough opponents his last two fights. I can understand him wanting an
"easy" money fight now to retire to his *new* farm in LA somewhere.

JoeyP

JoeyP wrote:
> My problem actually is the fight with Tyson. He no more
> needs to fight Tyson than Lewis needed to. But then again, as Roy is
> looking for one more huge payday, I can understand why he is trying to
> make this fight from a dollar and cents perspective. Roy has fought
> tough opponents his last two fights. I can understand him wanting an
> "easy" money fight now to retire to his *new* farm in LA somewhere.


I think it's funny that Tyson is now an "easy money" fight compared to
John Ruiz and Antonio Tarver.


Pie