Various Topics on Ford

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In case anyone missed it two days ago, the Escape has finally been priced.
It's $3,300 more than the non-Hybrid model. It starts at around $27,000:
http://www.hybridboard.com/forum/for...p?TID=200&PN=1

Anyone planning on buying one of these?

..keHun.. ..ilcity.c..

Unless you already have an order in with a dealership, forget
about it. Ford has 5,000 more orders than vehicles it can built
this year. The hybrid sill not have a rebate and the dealers
will add $1,500 in smoke and mirrors, just like all the other
dealers that now sell hybrids. They need to cover the costs of
new tools and training as well has higher wages for their techs.
By the way that $3,300 alone will buy ALL of the fuel for a
regular V6 Escape for about FOUR years. It will take eight to
ten years to break even on fuel costs on the difference in fuel
mileage. The average new vehicle buyer in the US replaces their
vehicle in three to four years. Buy hey if you want o save the
world from global warming, and can afford to do so, go for it


mike hunt



Greg wrote:
>
> In case anyone missed it two days ago, the Escape has finally been priced.
> It's $3,300 more than the non-Hybrid model. It starts at around $27,000:
> http://www.hybridboard.com/forum/for...p?TID=200&PN=1
>
> Anyone planning on buying one of these?

..keHun.. ..ilcity.c..

Unless you already have an order in with a dealership, forget
about it. Ford has 5,000 more orders than vehicles it can built
this year. The hybrid sill not have a rebate and the dealers
will add $1,500 in smoke and mirrors, just like all the other
dealers that now sell hybrids. They need to cover the costs of
new tools and training as well has higher wages for their techs.
By the way that $3,300 alone will buy ALL of the fuel for a
regular V6 Escape for about FOUR years. It will take eight to
ten years to break even on fuel costs on the difference in fuel
mileage. The average new vehicle buyer in the US replaces their
vehicle in three to four years. Buy hey if you want o save the
world from global warming, and can afford to do so, go for it


mike hunt



Greg wrote:
>
> In case anyone missed it two days ago, the Escape has finally been priced.
> It's $3,300 more than the non-Hybrid model. It starts at around $27,000:
> http://www.hybridboard.com/forum/for...p?TID=200&PN=1
>
> Anyone planning on buying one of these?

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<MikeHunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:40D0FB93.1F0B6289@mailcity.com...
> Unless you already have an order in with a dealership, forget
> about it. Ford has 5,000 more orders than vehicles it can built
> this year. The hybrid sill not have a rebate and the dealers
> will add $1,500 in smoke and mirrors, just like all the other
> dealers that now sell hybrids. They need to cover the costs of
> new tools and training as well has higher wages for their techs.

Don't forget the oppurtunity to make a quick buck when they have the upper
hand. Nothing wrong here: it is the American way.

> By the way that $3,300 alone will buy ALL of the fuel for a
> regular V6 Escape for about FOUR years.

Don't forget taxes, a lack of discounts compared to other Escapes, etc.

There is, however, a $2000 tax deduction and up to $1500 in state tax
credits, for savings of around $2000.

> It will take eight to
> ten years to break even on fuel costs on the difference in fuel
> mileage.

8 years x 12,000 mi / year = 100,000 mi. (I rounded a bit)

100,000 mi / 20 mi/gal = 5000 gal of fuel over 8 years.

100,000 mi / 35 mi/gal = just under 3000 gal, a difference of about 2000 gal
of fuel over 8 years, which is about $3500. The actual savings I could see
being from about $2000 to about $4500 depending on how the vehicle is driven
(e.g., city vs. highway), the cost of gas, etc.

So with tax savings, you could come out behind by about $1000 to ahead by
maybe $2000, a difference of less than 10% of the cost of the vehicle. If
you subtract the $2500 rebate on a new 2004 Escape, it is hard to come out
ahead.

Over 8 years, at best it is a break-even proposition. At least the truck
has a 100,000 mi warranty on the hybrid components and the CVT. I wonder how
dependable these will be after 8 years for the initial model year.
Considering they got some of the technology from another vendor with more
experience in Hybrids (Toyoda), I suspect the truck will be pretty
dependable, but I wouldn't take a chance at the moment.

> The average new vehicle buyer in the US replaces their
> vehicle in three to four years. Buy hey if you want o save the
> world from global warming, and can afford to do so, go for it

It won't save the world, but it will help. Not to mention help decrese the
US's dependence on Iraqi oil. OF course, you can get a more fuel efficent
car (like the VW diesel, take public transportation, or, heaven forbid, ride
a bike).

Jeff

>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
> Greg wrote:
> >
> > In case anyone missed it two days ago, the Escape has finally been
priced.
> > It's $3,300 more than the non-Hybrid model. It starts at around
$27,000:
> > http://www.hybridboard.com/forum/for...p?TID=200&PN=1
> >
> > Anyone planning on buying one of these?

....

<MikeHunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:40D0FB93.1F0B6289@mailcity.com...
> Unless you already have an order in with a dealership, forget
> about it. Ford has 5,000 more orders than vehicles it can built
> this year. The hybrid sill not have a rebate and the dealers
> will add $1,500 in smoke and mirrors, just like all the other
> dealers that now sell hybrids. They need to cover the costs of
> new tools and training as well has higher wages for their techs.

Don't forget the oppurtunity to make a quick buck when they have the upper
hand. Nothing wrong here: it is the American way.

> By the way that $3,300 alone will buy ALL of the fuel for a
> regular V6 Escape for about FOUR years.

Don't forget taxes, a lack of discounts compared to other Escapes, etc.

There is, however, a $2000 tax deduction and up to $1500 in state tax
credits, for savings of around $2000.

> It will take eight to
> ten years to break even on fuel costs on the difference in fuel
> mileage.

8 years x 12,000 mi / year = 100,000 mi. (I rounded a bit)

100,000 mi / 20 mi/gal = 5000 gal of fuel over 8 years.

100,000 mi / 35 mi/gal = just under 3000 gal, a difference of about 2000 gal
of fuel over 8 years, which is about $3500. The actual savings I could see
being from about $2000 to about $4500 depending on how the vehicle is driven
(e.g., city vs. highway), the cost of gas, etc.

So with tax savings, you could come out behind by about $1000 to ahead by
maybe $2000, a difference of less than 10% of the cost of the vehicle. If
you subtract the $2500 rebate on a new 2004 Escape, it is hard to come out
ahead.

Over 8 years, at best it is a break-even proposition. At least the truck
has a 100,000 mi warranty on the hybrid components and the CVT. I wonder how
dependable these will be after 8 years for the initial model year.
Considering they got some of the technology from another vendor with more
experience in Hybrids (Toyoda), I suspect the truck will be pretty
dependable, but I wouldn't take a chance at the moment.

> The average new vehicle buyer in the US replaces their
> vehicle in three to four years. Buy hey if you want o save the
> world from global warming, and can afford to do so, go for it

It won't save the world, but it will help. Not to mention help decrese the
US's dependence on Iraqi oil. OF course, you can get a more fuel efficent
car (like the VW diesel, take public transportation, or, heaven forbid, ride
a bike).

Jeff

>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
> Greg wrote:
> >
> > In case anyone missed it two days ago, the Escape has finally been
priced.
> > It's $3,300 more than the non-Hybrid model. It starts at around
$27,000:
> > http://www.hybridboard.com/forum/for...p?TID=200&PN=1
> >
> > Anyone planning on buying one of these?

..ickMas.. ..ilcity.c..

I hope a lot of buyers are willing to choose to pay the extra
cost of owning a hybrid to save the plant and extend the worlds
oil reserves. I will make more gasoline available for those of
us that like to drive high power vehicles. The only problem is
if there would be a decline in demand, as a result, the price of
fuel will go up.


mike hunt



Jeff wrote:
>
> <MikeHunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:40D0FB93.1F0B6289@mailcity.com...
> > Unless you already have an order in with a dealership, forget
> > about it. Ford has 5,000 more orders than vehicles it can built
> > this year. The hybrid sill not have a rebate and the dealers
> > will add $1,500 in smoke and mirrors, just like all the other
> > dealers that now sell hybrids. They need to cover the costs of
> > new tools and training as well has higher wages for their techs.
>
> Don't forget the oppurtunity to make a quick buck when they have the upper
> hand. Nothing wrong here: it is the American way.
>
> > By the way that $3,300 alone will buy ALL of the fuel for a
> > regular V6 Escape for about FOUR years.
>
> Don't forget taxes, a lack of discounts compared to other Escapes, etc.
>
> There is, however, a $2000 tax deduction and up to $1500 in state tax
> credits, for savings of around $2000.
>
> > It will take eight to
> > ten years to break even on fuel costs on the difference in fuel
> > mileage.
>
> 8 years x 12,000 mi / year = 100,000 mi. (I rounded a bit)
>
> 100,000 mi / 20 mi/gal = 5000 gal of fuel over 8 years.
>
> 100,000 mi / 35 mi/gal = just under 3000 gal, a difference of about 2000 gal
> of fuel over 8 years, which is about $3500. The actual savings I could see
> being from about $2000 to about $4500 depending on how the vehicle is driven
> (e.g., city vs. highway), the cost of gas, etc.
>
> So with tax savings, you could come out behind by about $1000 to ahead by
> maybe $2000, a difference of less than 10% of the cost of the vehicle. If
> you subtract the $2500 rebate on a new 2004 Escape, it is hard to come out
> ahead.
>
> Over 8 years, at best it is a break-even proposition. At least the truck
> has a 100,000 mi warranty on the hybrid components and the CVT. I wonder how
> dependable these will be after 8 years for the initial model year.
> Considering they got some of the technology from another vendor with more
> experience in Hybrids (Toyoda), I suspect the truck will be pretty
> dependable, but I wouldn't take a chance at the moment.
>
> > The average new vehicle buyer in the US replaces their
> > vehicle in three to four years. Buy hey if you want o save the
> > world from global warming, and can afford to do so, go for it
>
> It won't save the world, but it will help. Not to mention help decrese the
> US's dependence on Iraqi oil. OF course, you can get a more fuel efficent
> car (like the VW diesel, take public transportation, or, heaven forbid, ride
> a bike).
>
> Jeff
>
> >
> > mike hunt
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg wrote:
> > >
> > > In case anyone missed it two days ago, the Escape has finally been
> priced.
> > > It's $3,300 more than the non-Hybrid model. It starts at around
> $27,000:
> > > http://www.hybridboard.com/forum/for...p?TID=200&PN=1
> > >
> > > Anyone planning on buying one of these?

..ickMas.. ..ilcity.c..

I hope a lot of buyers are willing to choose to pay the extra
cost of owning a hybrid to save the plant and extend the worlds
oil reserves. I will make more gasoline available for those of
us that like to drive high power vehicles. The only problem is
if there would be a decline in demand, as a result, the price of
fuel will go up.


mike hunt



Jeff wrote:
>
> <MikeHunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:40D0FB93.1F0B6289@mailcity.com...
> > Unless you already have an order in with a dealership, forget
> > about it. Ford has 5,000 more orders than vehicles it can built
> > this year. The hybrid sill not have a rebate and the dealers
> > will add $1,500 in smoke and mirrors, just like all the other
> > dealers that now sell hybrids. They need to cover the costs of
> > new tools and training as well has higher wages for their techs.
>
> Don't forget the oppurtunity to make a quick buck when they have the upper
> hand. Nothing wrong here: it is the American way.
>
> > By the way that $3,300 alone will buy ALL of the fuel for a
> > regular V6 Escape for about FOUR years.
>
> Don't forget taxes, a lack of discounts compared to other Escapes, etc.
>
> There is, however, a $2000 tax deduction and up to $1500 in state tax
> credits, for savings of around $2000.
>
> > It will take eight to
> > ten years to break even on fuel costs on the difference in fuel
> > mileage.
>
> 8 years x 12,000 mi / year = 100,000 mi. (I rounded a bit)
>
> 100,000 mi / 20 mi/gal = 5000 gal of fuel over 8 years.
>
> 100,000 mi / 35 mi/gal = just under 3000 gal, a difference of about 2000 gal
> of fuel over 8 years, which is about $3500. The actual savings I could see
> being from about $2000 to about $4500 depending on how the vehicle is driven
> (e.g., city vs. highway), the cost of gas, etc.
>
> So with tax savings, you could come out behind by about $1000 to ahead by
> maybe $2000, a difference of less than 10% of the cost of the vehicle. If
> you subtract the $2500 rebate on a new 2004 Escape, it is hard to come out
> ahead.
>
> Over 8 years, at best it is a break-even proposition. At least the truck
> has a 100,000 mi warranty on the hybrid components and the CVT. I wonder how
> dependable these will be after 8 years for the initial model year.
> Considering they got some of the technology from another vendor with more
> experience in Hybrids (Toyoda), I suspect the truck will be pretty
> dependable, but I wouldn't take a chance at the moment.
>
> > The average new vehicle buyer in the US replaces their
> > vehicle in three to four years. Buy hey if you want o save the
> > world from global warming, and can afford to do so, go for it
>
> It won't save the world, but it will help. Not to mention help decrese the
> US's dependence on Iraqi oil. OF course, you can get a more fuel efficent
> car (like the VW diesel, take public transportation, or, heaven forbid, ride
> a bike).
>
> Jeff
>
> >
> > mike hunt
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg wrote:
> > >
> > > In case anyone missed it two days ago, the Escape has finally been
> priced.
> > > It's $3,300 more than the non-Hybrid model. It starts at around
> $27,000:
> > > http://www.hybridboard.com/forum/for...p?TID=200&PN=1
> > >
> > > Anyone planning on buying one of these?

....

<BrickMason@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:40D1A222.3A7A79A6@mailcity.com...
> I hope a lot of buyers are willing to choose to pay the extra
> cost of owning a hybrid to save the plant and extend the worlds
> oil reserves. I will make more gasoline available for those of
> us that like to drive high power vehicles. The only problem is
> if there would be a decline in demand, as a result, the price of
> fuel will go up.

If there is a decline in demand of fuel, the price of fuel will go down.

Jeff

>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
> Jeff wrote:
> >
> > <MikeHunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > news:40D0FB93.1F0B6289@mailcity.com...
> > > Unless you already have an order in with a dealership, forget
> > > about it. Ford has 5,000 more orders than vehicles it can built
> > > this year. The hybrid sill not have a rebate and the dealers
> > > will add $1,500 in smoke and mirrors, just like all the other
> > > dealers that now sell hybrids. They need to cover the costs of
> > > new tools and training as well has higher wages for their techs.
> >
> > Don't forget the oppurtunity to make a quick buck when they have the
upper
> > hand. Nothing wrong here: it is the American way.
> >
> > > By the way that $3,300 alone will buy ALL of the fuel for a
> > > regular V6 Escape for about FOUR years.
> >
> > Don't forget taxes, a lack of discounts compared to other Escapes, etc.
> >
> > There is, however, a $2000 tax deduction and up to $1500 in state tax
> > credits, for savings of around $2000.
> >
> > > It will take eight to
> > > ten years to break even on fuel costs on the difference in fuel
> > > mileage.
> >
> > 8 years x 12,000 mi / year = 100,000 mi. (I rounded a bit)
> >
> > 100,000 mi / 20 mi/gal = 5000 gal of fuel over 8 years.
> >
> > 100,000 mi / 35 mi/gal = just under 3000 gal, a difference of about 2000
gal
> > of fuel over 8 years, which is about $3500. The actual savings I could
see
> > being from about $2000 to about $4500 depending on how the vehicle is
driven
> > (e.g., city vs. highway), the cost of gas, etc.
> >
> > So with tax savings, you could come out behind by about $1000 to ahead
by
> > maybe $2000, a difference of less than 10% of the cost of the vehicle.
If
> > you subtract the $2500 rebate on a new 2004 Escape, it is hard to come
out
> > ahead.
> >
> > Over 8 years, at best it is a break-even proposition. At least the
truck
> > has a 100,000 mi warranty on the hybrid components and the CVT. I wonder
how
> > dependable these will be after 8 years for the initial model year.
> > Considering they got some of the technology from another vendor with
more
> > experience in Hybrids (Toyoda), I suspect the truck will be pretty
> > dependable, but I wouldn't take a chance at the moment.
> >
> > > The average new vehicle buyer in the US replaces their
> > > vehicle in three to four years. Buy hey if you want o save the
> > > world from global warming, and can afford to do so, go for it
> >
> > It won't save the world, but it will help. Not to mention help decrese
the
> > US's dependence on Iraqi oil. OF course, you can get a more fuel
efficent
> > car (like the VW diesel, take public transportation, or, heaven forbid,
ride
> > a bike).
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > >
> > > mike hunt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Greg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In case anyone missed it two days ago, the Escape has finally been
> > priced.
> > > > It's $3,300 more than the non-Hybrid model. It starts at around
> > $27,000:
> > > > http://www.hybridboard.com/forum/for...p?TID=200&PN=1
> > > >
> > > > Anyone planning on buying one of these?

....

<BrickMason@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:40D1A222.3A7A79A6@mailcity.com...
> I hope a lot of buyers are willing to choose to pay the extra
> cost of owning a hybrid to save the plant and extend the worlds
> oil reserves. I will make more gasoline available for those of
> us that like to drive high power vehicles. The only problem is
> if there would be a decline in demand, as a result, the price of
> fuel will go up.

If there is a decline in demand of fuel, the price of fuel will go down.

Jeff

>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
> Jeff wrote:
> >
> > <MikeHunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > news:40D0FB93.1F0B6289@mailcity.com...
> > > Unless you already have an order in with a dealership, forget
> > > about it. Ford has 5,000 more orders than vehicles it can built
> > > this year. The hybrid sill not have a rebate and the dealers
> > > will add $1,500 in smoke and mirrors, just like all the other
> > > dealers that now sell hybrids. They need to cover the costs of
> > > new tools and training as well has higher wages for their techs.
> >
> > Don't forget the oppurtunity to make a quick buck when they have the
upper
> > hand. Nothing wrong here: it is the American way.
> >
> > > By the way that $3,300 alone will buy ALL of the fuel for a
> > > regular V6 Escape for about FOUR years.
> >
> > Don't forget taxes, a lack of discounts compared to other Escapes, etc.
> >
> > There is, however, a $2000 tax deduction and up to $1500 in state tax
> > credits, for savings of around $2000.
> >
> > > It will take eight to
> > > ten years to break even on fuel costs on the difference in fuel
> > > mileage.
> >
> > 8 years x 12,000 mi / year = 100,000 mi. (I rounded a bit)
> >
> > 100,000 mi / 20 mi/gal = 5000 gal of fuel over 8 years.
> >
> > 100,000 mi / 35 mi/gal = just under 3000 gal, a difference of about 2000
gal
> > of fuel over 8 years, which is about $3500. The actual savings I could
see
> > being from about $2000 to about $4500 depending on how the vehicle is
driven
> > (e.g., city vs. highway), the cost of gas, etc.
> >
> > So with tax savings, you could come out behind by about $1000 to ahead
by
> > maybe $2000, a difference of less than 10% of the cost of the vehicle.
If
> > you subtract the $2500 rebate on a new 2004 Escape, it is hard to come
out
> > ahead.
> >
> > Over 8 years, at best it is a break-even proposition. At least the
truck
> > has a 100,000 mi warranty on the hybrid components and the CVT. I wonder
how
> > dependable these will be after 8 years for the initial model year.
> > Considering they got some of the technology from another vendor with
more
> > experience in Hybrids (Toyoda), I suspect the truck will be pretty
> > dependable, but I wouldn't take a chance at the moment.
> >
> > > The average new vehicle buyer in the US replaces their
> > > vehicle in three to four years. Buy hey if you want o save the
> > > world from global warming, and can afford to do so, go for it
> >
> > It won't save the world, but it will help. Not to mention help decrese
the
> > US's dependence on Iraqi oil. OF course, you can get a more fuel
efficent
> > car (like the VW diesel, take public transportation, or, heaven forbid,
ride
> > a bike).
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > >
> > > mike hunt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Greg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In case anyone missed it two days ago, the Escape has finally been
> > priced.
> > > > It's $3,300 more than the non-Hybrid model. It starts at around
> > $27,000:
> > > > http://www.hybridboard.com/forum/for...p?TID=200&PN=1
> > > >
> > > > Anyone planning on buying one of these?