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.... ..ldr..

For family childcare here the rate is usually by day or week, vacation and
sick days paid for children but not for provider. Fees are as follows
(approx and in canadian $)
Full day 35.00-40.00 in city, 25.00 out of city, one meal, two snacks
Half day (morning kindergarten), 25.00 in city, 17.00 out of city, one meal,
one snack
before and after school 20 in city, 14 out of city, one snack
I have all special needs kids but two and make a little more than quoted
(about 5 $ a day) I am out of city.
I have no idea what the city run daycare centre costs.
Lani
"aldee" <ne_endo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yUXlc.754$wx5.544@newsfe1-win...
> "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:AaBlc.359385$Ig.123873@pd7tw2no...
> > What are everyone else's wages like...ball park figure of course? How
> about
> > a Family Daycare....is it profitable at all? What does your wage come
out
> to
> > approximately? Just curious
>
> Hmm, well, in my area of England most nursery nurses (family daycare) I
know
> are on just above minimum wage (£4.20 per hour - which is... ummm... about
> $6.50 USA - sorry too lazy to go look up an Canadian/Aus converter ;-) )
> Childminders (home daycare) vary from £2-£3 per child per hour - about
> $3-$4.50 USA). This is regardless of qualifications or experience!
> I don't know if that 'sounds' good or not, but with an average house now
at
> around £150,000 (hugely variable, but I think those are the latest govt
> figures) it isn't anywhere near a living wage (less than £9,000 pa).
> And newspapers over here rave about how childminders earn extortionate
> amounts and daycare costs a fortune LOL!
> Donna
>
>

..isymay..

I'm sorry parents have always been great most... some can;t afford gifts and
I've no problem with that... I got a beautiful note one year form a
parent.... that was the best gift I got that year.

The TIN of popcorn was from the CENTER Director!!!! You see they didn't have
any money to give us because the center's owner needed to be bailed out of
jail from his fraud charges. After paying two million who had money to give
the staff a bonus!


"B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:B6Blc.339058$Pk3.18313@pd7tw1no...
> Yikes..our parents don't typically bring us in stuff during ECE week but
> during Christmas and Valentines we are sent enough chocolate and goodies
to
> last us into the next Christmas...lol.
>
> Bernadette
>
> "daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news8zlc.22179$wY.5171@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > One year we got a TIN of Popcorn for christmas... that was ONE tin to
> SHARE
> > between about 12 staff members!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Gee thanks!
> >
> >
> > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > news:sHTkc.7450$TT.3719@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > Wow, a Centre that appreciates and recognises their staff for their
> work?
> > > More should do what yours does. It reminds me how we once all got
given
> a
> > > pen with the company's logo on it for a Christmas pressie. That was
the
> > > first and last time that happened. We figured they must have ordered
> too
> > > many pens and could not get rid of them so we got them as Christmas
> gifts
> > > )
> > >
> > > Debbie
> > >
> > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:UwPkc.332817$Ig.16498@pd7tw2no...
> > > > Really that many. WOW!! I found one on the internet that I used
> because
> > I
> > > > needed it fast. We were celebrating ECE week here in Manitoba. Every
> > year
> > > > the past week is The week of the ECE, our center buys us a gift
every
> > day
> > > > and also every year I make a little something for the staff. I
wanted
> to
> > > > include a little card with an ECE poem with the gift.
> > > >
> > > > I would love to see some poems if you could send some to me, that
> would
> > be
> > > > great. Let me know and I will send my email address.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bernadette
> > > > "~*~Leslie~*~" <ltiller@kwic.no spam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:F7wkc.34800$kc2.504544@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> > > > > What are you looking for! I have 100's of them!
> > > > > Leslie
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > "Life may not be the party we hoped for......but while we are here
> we
> > > > might
> > > > > as well dance!"
> > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:KTikc.316788$Ig.213176@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > I recall a few poems here posted...if anyone has them could you
> > please
> > > > > post
> > > > > > them again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

..isymay..

OK here is a site...
http://www.x-rates.com/d/AUD/table.html

c**** on values to see graphs 1 AUD in AUD
American Dollar 0.728401 1.37287



So in Australia One US dollar is worth $1.37 so your 7.oo minimum wages is
9.59 here.

"*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
news:cZSlc.20563$TT.8843@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> How does that work, the currenct rate? If I put down what I earn in A$
you
> will probably think that I am on good money!!! when in fact it is very
> average.
>
> Debbie
>
> "daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:6bQlc.23774$wY.9262@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > Nooo this was my wage in the center I worked at... I am in the US. I
> don't
> > know how the currency rate changes....
> >
> > Family daycare is profitable... we're not getting rich but I make more
> than
> > I did at the center.
> >
> >
> > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:AaBlc.359385$Ig.123873@pd7tw2no...
> > > This is your current wage??
> > > This is awful...where are you from?
> > > Our minimum wage here in Manitoba is going to be 7.00 soon and a
> starting
> > > wage for an ECE II is a bit higher depending on the center. We have a
> > > recomended scale set out by the Manitoba Child Care ***ociation...it's
> > > called MCCA Salary Scale Level III and the starting wage for a level
II
> is
> > I
> > > believe $11.56.
> > >
> > > What are everyone else's wages like...ball park figure of course? How
> > about
> > > a Family Daycare....is it profitable at all? What does your wage come
> out
> > to
> > > approximately? Just curious.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bernadette
> > >
> > > "daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3bzlc.7781$vz5.2651@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > > > geesh! I started at the center making 5.25.... and left 4 years
later
> > > making
> > > > 6.50. thats WITH a raise... when she told me only 25cents I said ok
> > this
> > > is
> > > > the last straw I'm done... and I quit the following week.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > > > news:Hidlc.8682$TT.2991@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > Wow a raise of almost $1.00, that's great. There is no such thing
> as
> > > the
> > > > > perfect Centre but if the staff are happy and willing to work
> together
> > > > then
> > > > > you can still have a GREAT Centre even if there are not many
> resources
> > > or
> > > > > equipment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Debbie
> > > > >
> > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:Km8lc.326863$Pk3.5034@pd7tw1no...
> > > > > > I just found out that my friends center where she works, one of
> > their
> > > > > gifts
> > > > > > was a raise of almost $1.00.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We by far don't have the perfect centre...but we try to work
> things
> > > out
> > > > as
> > > > > > best as we can.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > B
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:SD1lc.8064$TT.3329@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > > > No worries, your message would have been bounced back as I
don't
> > > have
> > > > my
> > > > > > > legit email addy on show. Any positions vacant at your
place???
> > We
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > *had* to pay $30 each for our fleece hooded jackets with
company
> > > logo
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > winter. I have not heard of any Centres that do what you just
> > > > described
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I'm sure if I suggested it at work the "elusive management"
> would
> > > > cart
> > > > > me
> > > > > > > off to the funny farm LOL.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know other child care workers from all over Australia and no
> one
> > > > seems
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > do what you just described. Nice to know there are places out
> > there
> > > > who
> > > > > > > show appreciation for their staff.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Debbie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:mC_kc.337442$Ig.334733@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > > > I meant to send this message to the group but accidentally
> just
> > > sent
> > > > > it
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > you Debbie....my apologies for sending an email without
> > > permission.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure what other centre's do...but this year our
Board
> of
> > > > > > Directors
> > > > > > > > went all out. Monday we received a pot luck lunch curtosy of
> our
> > > > Board
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > few little do dads ( shopping list magnet, pen (no
> logo...lol),
> > > one
> > > > of
> > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > dragon fly sticks you put in a plant. Tuesday we
got....these
> > cute
> > > > > > little
> > > > > > > > candle holders, Wednesday we got Travel Mugs with our names
> > > engraved
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > them, Thursday we received a Bonus Day off of work and
Friday
> we
> > > > > > received
> > > > > > > > fleece hooded jackets with our daycare name printed on them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We felt very appreciated for the work we do.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do any centres out there celebrate anything similar?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:sHTkc.7450$TT.3719@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > > > > > Wow, a Centre that appreciates and recognises their staff
> for
> > > > their
> > > > > > > work?
> > > > > > > > > More should do what yours does. It reminds me how we once
> all
> > > got
> > > > > > given
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > pen with the company's logo on it for a Christmas pressie.
> > That
> > > > was
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > first and last time that happened. We figured they must
> have
> > > > > ordered
> > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > > many pens and could not get rid of them so we got them as
> > > > Christmas
> > > > > > > gifts
> > > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Debbie
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:UwPkc.332817$Ig.16498@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > > > > > Really that many. WOW!! I found one on the internet that
I
> > > used
> > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > needed it fast. We were celebrating ECE week here in
> > Manitoba.
> > > > > Every
> > > > > > > > year
> > > > > > > > > > the past week is The week of the ECE, our center buys us
a
> > > gift
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > and also every year I make a little something for the
> staff.
> > I
> > > > > > wanted
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > include a little card with an ECE poem with the gift.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would love to see some poems if you could send some to
> me,
> > > > that
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > great. Let me know and I will send my email address.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > > > > > "~*~Leslie~*~" <ltiller@kwic.no spam.com> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > news:F7wkc.34800$kc2.504544@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > What are you looking for! I have 100's of them!
> > > > > > > > > > > Leslie
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > "Life may not be the party we hoped for......but while
> we
> > > are
> > > > > here
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > > > > > as well dance!"
> > > > > > > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:KTikc.316788$Ig.213176@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > > > > > > > I recall a few poems here posted...if anyone has
them
> > > could
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > post
> > > > > > > > > > > > them again.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

..isymay..

I am in a large City in the US. I charge 140 per week for infants...

This is :
$193 in Astrailia
$192 in Canada
$114 in Euro

(this is IF I did the chart corretly LOL)

"alex meldrum" <alex.meldrum@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:OD7mc.27157$3Q4.734472@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> For family childcare here the rate is usually by day or week, vacation and
> sick days paid for children but not for provider. Fees are as follows
> (approx and in canadian $)
> Full day 35.00-40.00 in city, 25.00 out of city, one meal, two snacks
> Half day (morning kindergarten), 25.00 in city, 17.00 out of city, one
meal,
> one snack
> before and after school 20 in city, 14 out of city, one snack
> I have all special needs kids but two and make a little more than quoted
> (about 5 $ a day) I am out of city.
> I have no idea what the city run daycare centre costs.
> Lani
> "aldee" <ne_endo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:yUXlc.754$wx5.544@newsfe1-win...
> > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:AaBlc.359385$Ig.123873@pd7tw2no...
> > > What are everyone else's wages like...ball park figure of course? How
> > about
> > > a Family Daycare....is it profitable at all? What does your wage come
> out
> > to
> > > approximately? Just curious
> >
> > Hmm, well, in my area of England most nursery nurses (family daycare) I
> know
> > are on just above minimum wage (£4.20 per hour - which is... ummm...
about
> > $6.50 USA - sorry too lazy to go look up an Canadian/Aus converter ;-) )
> > Childminders (home daycare) vary from £2-£3 per child per hour - about
> > $3-$4.50 USA). This is regardless of qualifications or experience!
> > I don't know if that 'sounds' good or not, but with an average house now
> at
> > around £150,000 (hugely variable, but I think those are the latest govt
> > figures) it isn't anywhere near a living wage (less than £9,000 pa).
> > And newspapers over here rave about how childminders earn extortionate
> > amounts and daycare costs a fortune LOL!
> > Donna
> >
> >
>
>

..ebbi..

Thanks Joanie. I went to the site and did some converting. Child care
wages here work out to between American Dollar $8.43 for ***istants to
$10.85 for group leaders. Trainees earn $2-3 less than the $8.43. These
are minimum wage scales under our award. Some Centres pay their staff above
the award but it is rare for this to happen and the majority get paid the
award.

I had a letter from the Australian Tax Office yesterday to say that because
I am a low income earner they are going to match my personal contributions
to my super annuation fund (retirement package) up to the amount of AUD 1000
per year.

Debbie

"daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:mv9mc.13907$L8.1420@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> OK here is a site...
> http://www.x-rates.com/d/AUD/table.html
>
> c**** on values to see graphs 1 AUD in AUD
> American Dollar 0.728401 1.37287
>
>
>
> So in Australia One US dollar is worth $1.37 so your 7.oo minimum wages
is
> 9.59 here.
>
> "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> news:cZSlc.20563$TT.8843@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > How does that work, the currenct rate? If I put down what I earn in A$
> you
> > will probably think that I am on good money!!! when in fact it is very
> > average.
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> > "daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:6bQlc.23774$wY.9262@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > > Nooo this was my wage in the center I worked at... I am in the US. I
> > don't
> > > know how the currency rate changes....
> > >
> > > Family daycare is profitable... we're not getting rich but I make more
> > than
> > > I did at the center.
> > >
> > >
> > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:AaBlc.359385$Ig.123873@pd7tw2no...
> > > > This is your current wage??
> > > > This is awful...where are you from?
> > > > Our minimum wage here in Manitoba is going to be 7.00 soon and a
> > starting
> > > > wage for an ECE II is a bit higher depending on the center. We have
a
> > > > recomended scale set out by the Manitoba Child Care
***ociation...it's
> > > > called MCCA Salary Scale Level III and the starting wage for a level
> II
> > is
> > > I
> > > > believe $11.56.
> > > >
> > > > What are everyone else's wages like...ball park figure of course?
How
> > > about
> > > > a Family Daycare....is it profitable at all? What does your wage
come
> > out
> > > to
> > > > approximately? Just curious.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bernadette
> > > >
> > > > "daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3bzlc.7781$vz5.2651@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > > > > geesh! I started at the center making 5.25.... and left 4 years
> later
> > > > making
> > > > > 6.50. thats WITH a raise... when she told me only 25cents I said
ok
> > > this
> > > > is
> > > > > the last straw I'm done... and I quit the following week.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > > > > news:Hidlc.8682$TT.2991@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > > Wow a raise of almost $1.00, that's great. There is no such
thing
> > as
> > > > the
> > > > > > perfect Centre but if the staff are happy and willing to work
> > together
> > > > > then
> > > > > > you can still have a GREAT Centre even if there are not many
> > resources
> > > > or
> > > > > > equipment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Debbie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:Km8lc.326863$Pk3.5034@pd7tw1no...
> > > > > > > I just found out that my friends center where she works, one
of
> > > their
> > > > > > gifts
> > > > > > > was a raise of almost $1.00.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We by far don't have the perfect centre...but we try to work
> > things
> > > > out
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > best as we can.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > B
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:SD1lc.8064$TT.3329@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > > > > No worries, your message would have been bounced back as I
> don't
> > > > have
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > > legit email addy on show. Any positions vacant at your
> place???
> > > We
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > *had* to pay $30 each for our fleece hooded jackets with
> company
> > > > logo
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > winter. I have not heard of any Centres that do what you
just
> > > > > described
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > I'm sure if I suggested it at work the "elusive management"
> > would
> > > > > cart
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > off to the funny farm LOL.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know other child care workers from all over Australia and
no
> > one
> > > > > seems
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > do what you just described. Nice to know there are places
out
> > > there
> > > > > who
> > > > > > > > show appreciation for their staff.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Debbie
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:mC_kc.337442$Ig.334733@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > > > > I meant to send this message to the group but accidentally
> > just
> > > > sent
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > you Debbie....my apologies for sending an email without
> > > > permission.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what other centre's do...but this year our
> Board
> > of
> > > > > > > Directors
> > > > > > > > > went all out. Monday we received a pot luck lunch curtosy
of
> > our
> > > > > Board
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > few little do dads ( shopping list magnet, pen (no
> > logo...lol),
> > > > one
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > dragon fly sticks you put in a plant. Tuesday we
> got....these
> > > cute
> > > > > > > little
> > > > > > > > > candle holders, Wednesday we got Travel Mugs with our
names
> > > > engraved
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > them, Thursday we received a Bonus Day off of work and
> Friday
> > we
> > > > > > > received
> > > > > > > > > fleece hooded jackets with our daycare name printed on
them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We felt very appreciated for the work we do.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do any centres out there celebrate anything similar?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:sHTkc.7450$TT.3719@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > > > > > > Wow, a Centre that appreciates and recognises their
staff
> > for
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > > work?
> > > > > > > > > > More should do what yours does. It reminds me how we
once
> > all
> > > > got
> > > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > pen with the company's logo on it for a Christmas
pressie.
> > > That
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > first and last time that happened. We figured they must
> > have
> > > > > > ordered
> > > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > > > many pens and could not get rid of them so we got them
as
> > > > > Christmas
> > > > > > > > gifts
> > > > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Debbie
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:UwPkc.332817$Ig.16498@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > > > > > > Really that many. WOW!! I found one on the internet
that
> I
> > > > used
> > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > needed it fast. We were celebrating ECE week here in
> > > Manitoba.
> > > > > > Every
> > > > > > > > > year
> > > > > > > > > > > the past week is The week of the ECE, our center buys
us
> a
> > > > gift
> > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > and also every year I make a little something for the
> > staff.
> > > I
> > > > > > > wanted
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > include a little card with an ECE poem with the gift.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I would love to see some poems if you could send some
to
> > me,
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > great. Let me know and I will send my email address.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > > > > > > "~*~Leslie~*~" <ltiller@kwic.no spam.com> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:F7wkc.34800$kc2.504544@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > What are you looking for! I have 100's of them!
> > > > > > > > > > > > Leslie
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Life may not be the party we hoped for......but
while
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > > > > > > as well dance!"
> > > > > > > > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:KTikc.316788$Ig.213176@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I recall a few poems here posted...if anyone has
> them
> > > > could
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > post
> > > > > > > > > > > > > them again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

..isymay..

wow thats great deb!
"*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
news:tncmc.21828$TT.19797@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Thanks Joanie. I went to the site and did some converting. Child care
> wages here work out to between American Dollar $8.43 for ***istants to
> $10.85 for group leaders. Trainees earn $2-3 less than the $8.43. These
> are minimum wage scales under our award. Some Centres pay their staff
above
> the award but it is rare for this to happen and the majority get paid the
> award.
>
> I had a letter from the Australian Tax Office yesterday to say that
because
> I am a low income earner they are going to match my personal contributions
> to my super annuation fund (retirement package) up to the amount of AUD
1000
> per year.
>
> Debbie
>
> "daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:mv9mc.13907$L8.1420@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > OK here is a site...
> > http://www.x-rates.com/d/AUD/table.html
> >
> > c**** on values to see graphs 1 AUD in AUD
> > American Dollar 0.728401 1.37287
> >
> >
> >
> > So in Australia One US dollar is worth $1.37 so your 7.oo minimum wages
> is
> > 9.59 here.
> >
> > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > news:cZSlc.20563$TT.8843@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > How does that work, the currenct rate? If I put down what I earn in
A$
> > you
> > > will probably think that I am on good money!!! when in fact it is very
> > > average.
> > >
> > > Debbie
> > >
> > > "daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > news:6bQlc.23774$wY.9262@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > > > Nooo this was my wage in the center I worked at... I am in the US.
I
> > > don't
> > > > know how the currency rate changes....
> > > >
> > > > Family daycare is profitable... we're not getting rich but I make
more
> > > than
> > > > I did at the center.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:AaBlc.359385$Ig.123873@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > This is your current wage??
> > > > > This is awful...where are you from?
> > > > > Our minimum wage here in Manitoba is going to be 7.00 soon and a
> > > starting
> > > > > wage for an ECE II is a bit higher depending on the center. We
have
> a
> > > > > recomended scale set out by the Manitoba Child Care
> ***ociation...it's
> > > > > called MCCA Salary Scale Level III and the starting wage for a
level
> > II
> > > is
> > > > I
> > > > > believe $11.56.
> > > > >
> > > > > What are everyone else's wages like...ball park figure of course?
> How
> > > > about
> > > > > a Family Daycare....is it profitable at all? What does your wage
> come
> > > out
> > > > to
> > > > > approximately? Just curious.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Bernadette
> > > > >
> > > > > "daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3bzlc.7781$vz5.2651@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > > > > > geesh! I started at the center making 5.25.... and left 4 years
> > later
> > > > > making
> > > > > > 6.50. thats WITH a raise... when she told me only 25cents I
said
> ok
> > > > this
> > > > > is
> > > > > > the last straw I'm done... and I quit the following week.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:Hidlc.8682$TT.2991@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > > > Wow a raise of almost $1.00, that's great. There is no such
> thing
> > > as
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > perfect Centre but if the staff are happy and willing to work
> > > together
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > you can still have a GREAT Centre even if there are not many
> > > resources
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > equipment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Debbie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:Km8lc.326863$Pk3.5034@pd7tw1no...
> > > > > > > > I just found out that my friends center where she works, one
> of
> > > > their
> > > > > > > gifts
> > > > > > > > was a raise of almost $1.00.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We by far don't have the perfect centre...but we try to work
> > > things
> > > > > out
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > best as we can.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > B
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:SD1lc.8064$TT.3329@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > > > > > No worries, your message would have been bounced back as I
> > don't
> > > > > have
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > legit email addy on show. Any positions vacant at your
> > place???
> > > > We
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > *had* to pay $30 each for our fleece hooded jackets with
> > company
> > > > > logo
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > winter. I have not heard of any Centres that do what you
> just
> > > > > > described
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > I'm sure if I suggested it at work the "elusive
management"
> > > would
> > > > > > cart
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > off to the funny farm LOL.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know other child care workers from all over Australia
and
> no
> > > one
> > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > do what you just described. Nice to know there are places
> out
> > > > there
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > show appreciation for their staff.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Debbie
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:mC_kc.337442$Ig.334733@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > > > > > I meant to send this message to the group but
accidentally
> > > just
> > > > > sent
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > you Debbie....my apologies for sending an email without
> > > > > permission.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what other centre's do...but this year our
> > Board
> > > of
> > > > > > > > Directors
> > > > > > > > > > went all out. Monday we received a pot luck lunch
curtosy
> of
> > > our
> > > > > > Board
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > few little do dads ( shopping list magnet, pen (no
> > > logo...lol),
> > > > > one
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > dragon fly sticks you put in a plant. Tuesday we
> > got....these
> > > > cute
> > > > > > > > little
> > > > > > > > > > candle holders, Wednesday we got Travel Mugs with our
> names
> > > > > engraved
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > them, Thursday we received a Bonus Day off of work and
> > Friday
> > > we
> > > > > > > > received
> > > > > > > > > > fleece hooded jackets with our daycare name printed on
> them.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We felt very appreciated for the work we do.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do any centres out there celebrate anything similar?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:sHTkc.7450$TT.3719@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > > > > > > > Wow, a Centre that appreciates and recognises their
> staff
> > > for
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > work?
> > > > > > > > > > > More should do what yours does. It reminds me how we
> once
> > > all
> > > > > got
> > > > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > pen with the company's logo on it for a Christmas
> pressie.
> > > > That
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > first and last time that happened. We figured they
must
> > > have
> > > > > > > ordered
> > > > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > > > > many pens and could not get rid of them so we got them
> as
> > > > > > Christmas
> > > > > > > > > gifts
> > > > > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Debbie
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:UwPkc.332817$Ig.16498@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Really that many. WOW!! I found one on the internet
> that
> > I
> > > > > used
> > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > needed it fast. We were celebrating ECE week here in
> > > > Manitoba.
> > > > > > > Every
> > > > > > > > > > year
> > > > > > > > > > > > the past week is The week of the ECE, our center
buys
> us
> > a
> > > > > gift
> > > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > and also every year I make a little something for
the
> > > staff.
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > wanted
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > include a little card with an ECE poem with the
gift.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to see some poems if you could send
some
> to
> > > me,
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > great. Let me know and I will send my email address.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > > > > > > > "~*~Leslie~*~" <ltiller@kwic.no spam.com> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:F7wkc.34800$kc2.504544@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you looking for! I have 100's of them!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Leslie
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Life may not be the party we hoped for......but
> while
> > > we
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as well dance!"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:KTikc.316788$Ig.213176@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recall a few poems here posted...if anyone has
> > them
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > > post
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

..

Where in Canada are you? Just curious. There is no standard rate (provincial
rate) for childcare? Here in Manitoba licensed care is $26.40 for under 2,
$18.40 for 2-6 years of age, and I'm not sure about school age but I believe
it's in the $13-$14 range. These amounts include the extra $2.40 our daycare
can charge a day for providing to snacks. If a daycare provides a hot lunch
they can add another fee I think an additional $1.00 or so a day.

Wages in Manitoba can be found at the following link...

http://www.mccahouse.org/phase3.htm there is a phase 4 now, and some centres
have jumped on the bandwagon for worthy wages and have applied it. Our
centre isn't there yet but hopefully soon.

Bernadette



"alex meldrum" <alex.meldrum@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:OD7mc.27157$3Q4.734472@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> For family childcare here the rate is usually by day or week, vacation and
> sick days paid for children but not for provider. Fees are as follows
> (approx and in canadian $)
> Full day 35.00-40.00 in city, 25.00 out of city, one meal, two snacks
> Half day (morning kindergarten), 25.00 in city, 17.00 out of city, one
meal,
> one snack
> before and after school 20 in city, 14 out of city, one snack
> I have all special needs kids but two and make a little more than quoted
> (about 5 $ a day) I am out of city.
> I have no idea what the city run daycare centre costs.
> Lani
> "aldee" <ne_endo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:yUXlc.754$wx5.544@newsfe1-win...
> > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:AaBlc.359385$Ig.123873@pd7tw2no...
> > > What are everyone else's wages like...ball park figure of course? How
> > about
> > > a Family Daycare....is it profitable at all? What does your wage come
> out
> > to
> > > approximately? Just curious
> >
> > Hmm, well, in my area of England most nursery nurses (family daycare) I
> know
> > are on just above minimum wage (£4.20 per hour - which is... ummm...
about
> > $6.50 USA - sorry too lazy to go look up an Canadian/Aus converter ;-) )
> > Childminders (home daycare) vary from £2-£3 per child per hour - about
> > $3-$4.50 USA). This is regardless of qualifications or experience!
> > I don't know if that 'sounds' good or not, but with an average house now
> at
> > around £150,000 (hugely variable, but I think those are the latest govt
> > figures) it isn't anywhere near a living wage (less than £9,000 pa).
> > And newspapers over here rave about how childminders earn extortionate
> > amounts and daycare costs a fortune LOL!
> > Donna
> >
> >
>
>

..

OMG!!!! Sorry for my shock. I thought our fees in Manitoba were high but
apparently not so. Our fees a week equal to $132.00 Canadian.

Ok here's my next question....as I'm always curious at the differences
between countries and even within my own country...what is the average wage
for someone in the field in a centre in the city where your at?

Thanks for the information,
Bernadette

"daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wB9mc.13930$L8.10575@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> I am in a large City in the US. I charge 140 per week for infants...
>
> This is :
> $193 in Astrailia
> $192 in Canada
> $114 in Euro
>
> (this is IF I did the chart corretly LOL)
>
> "alex meldrum" <alex.meldrum@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:OD7mc.27157$3Q4.734472@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> > For family childcare here the rate is usually by day or week, vacation
and
> > sick days paid for children but not for provider. Fees are as follows
> > (approx and in canadian $)
> > Full day 35.00-40.00 in city, 25.00 out of city, one meal, two snacks
> > Half day (morning kindergarten), 25.00 in city, 17.00 out of city, one
> meal,
> > one snack
> > before and after school 20 in city, 14 out of city, one snack
> > I have all special needs kids but two and make a little more than quoted
> > (about 5 $ a day) I am out of city.
> > I have no idea what the city run daycare centre costs.
> > Lani
> > "aldee" <ne_endo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:yUXlc.754$wx5.544@newsfe1-win...
> > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:AaBlc.359385$Ig.123873@pd7tw2no...
> > > > What are everyone else's wages like...ball park figure of course?
How
> > > about
> > > > a Family Daycare....is it profitable at all? What does your wage
come
> > out
> > > to
> > > > approximately? Just curious
> > >
> > > Hmm, well, in my area of England most nursery nurses (family daycare)
I
> > know
> > > are on just above minimum wage (£4.20 per hour - which is... ummm...
> about
> > > $6.50 USA - sorry too lazy to go look up an Canadian/Aus converter
;-) )
> > > Childminders (home daycare) vary from £2-£3 per child per hour - about
> > > $3-$4.50 USA). This is regardless of qualifications or experience!
> > > I don't know if that 'sounds' good or not, but with an average house
now
> > at
> > > around £150,000 (hugely variable, but I think those are the latest
govt
> > > figures) it isn't anywhere near a living wage (less than £9,000 pa).
> > > And newspapers over here rave about how childminders earn extortionate
> > > amounts and daycare costs a fortune LOL!
> > > Donna
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

..

Oh my...I suppose that would be a big umm expense. Was the centre not
insured for things like that? I agree...the notes and cards are the best
gifts from parents. I just recently took over our toddler group and I get
little notes in their lunch kits to me and I keep them all.

Bernadette


"daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Zn9mc.13879$L8.4676@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> I'm sorry parents have always been great most... some can;t afford gifts
and
> I've no problem with that... I got a beautiful note one year form a
> parent.... that was the best gift I got that year.
>
> The TIN of popcorn was from the CENTER Director!!!! You see they didn't
have
> any money to give us because the center's owner needed to be bailed out of
> jail from his fraud charges. After paying two million who had money to
give
> the staff a bonus!
>
>
> "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:B6Blc.339058$Pk3.18313@pd7tw1no...
> > Yikes..our parents don't typically bring us in stuff during ECE week but
> > during Christmas and Valentines we are sent enough chocolate and goodies
> to
> > last us into the next Christmas...lol.
> >
> > Bernadette
> >
> > "daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news8zlc.22179$wY.5171@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > > One year we got a TIN of Popcorn for christmas... that was ONE tin to
> > SHARE
> > > between about 12 staff members!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > Gee thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > > news:sHTkc.7450$TT.3719@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > Wow, a Centre that appreciates and recognises their staff for their
> > work?
> > > > More should do what yours does. It reminds me how we once all got
> given
> > a
> > > > pen with the company's logo on it for a Christmas pressie. That was
> the
> > > > first and last time that happened. We figured they must have
ordered
> > too
> > > > many pens and could not get rid of them so we got them as Christmas
> > gifts
> > > > )
> > > >
> > > > Debbie
> > > >
> > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:UwPkc.332817$Ig.16498@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > Really that many. WOW!! I found one on the internet that I used
> > because
> > > I
> > > > > needed it fast. We were celebrating ECE week here in Manitoba.
Every
> > > year
> > > > > the past week is The week of the ECE, our center buys us a gift
> every
> > > day
> > > > > and also every year I make a little something for the staff. I
> wanted
> > to
> > > > > include a little card with an ECE poem with the gift.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would love to see some poems if you could send some to me, that
> > would
> > > be
> > > > > great. Let me know and I will send my email address.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > "~*~Leslie~*~" <ltiller@kwic.no spam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:F7wkc.34800$kc2.504544@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> > > > > > What are you looking for! I have 100's of them!
> > > > > > Leslie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > "Life may not be the party we hoped for......but while we are
here
> > we
> > > > > might
> > > > > > as well dance!"
> > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:KTikc.316788$Ig.213176@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > > I recall a few poems here posted...if anyone has them could
you
> > > please
> > > > > > post
> > > > > > > them again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

..ebbi..

I love the little notes and cards more than a box of chocolates. Sometimes
you don't realise how much parents appreciate what you are doing until you
get a card or note with special words in them. I save all of mine, the
chocolates get eaten and forgotten and the bubble baths get used and
forgotten but the words written down stay with me forever.

Debbie

"B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:g%fmc.384090$Ig.123024@pd7tw2no...
> Oh my...I suppose that would be a big umm expense. Was the centre not
> insured for things like that? I agree...the notes and cards are the best
> gifts from parents. I just recently took over our toddler group and I get
> little notes in their lunch kits to me and I keep them all.
>
> Bernadette
>
>
> "daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Zn9mc.13879$L8.4676@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > I'm sorry parents have always been great most... some can;t afford gifts
> and
> > I've no problem with that... I got a beautiful note one year form a
> > parent.... that was the best gift I got that year.
> >
> > The TIN of popcorn was from the CENTER Director!!!! You see they didn't
> have
> > any money to give us because the center's owner needed to be bailed out
of
> > jail from his fraud charges. After paying two million who had money to
> give
> > the staff a bonus!
> >
> >
> > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:B6Blc.339058$Pk3.18313@pd7tw1no...
> > > Yikes..our parents don't typically bring us in stuff during ECE week
but
> > > during Christmas and Valentines we are sent enough chocolate and
goodies
> > to
> > > last us into the next Christmas...lol.
> > >
> > > Bernadette
> > >
> > > "daisymay94" <Daisymay94@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > news8zlc.22179$wY.5171@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > > > One year we got a TIN of Popcorn for christmas... that was ONE tin
to
> > > SHARE
> > > > between about 12 staff members!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Gee thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "*Debbie*" <redruby@bigpong.com.za> wrote in message
> > > > news:sHTkc.7450$TT.3719@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > Wow, a Centre that appreciates and recognises their staff for
their
> > > work?
> > > > > More should do what yours does. It reminds me how we once all got
> > given
> > > a
> > > > > pen with the company's logo on it for a Christmas pressie. That
was
> > the
> > > > > first and last time that happened. We figured they must have
> ordered
> > > too
> > > > > many pens and could not get rid of them so we got them as
Christmas
> > > gifts
> > > > > )
> > > > >
> > > > > Debbie
> > > > >
> > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:UwPkc.332817$Ig.16498@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > Really that many. WOW!! I found one on the internet that I used
> > > because
> > > > I
> > > > > > needed it fast. We were celebrating ECE week here in Manitoba.
> Every
> > > > year
> > > > > > the past week is The week of the ECE, our center buys us a gift
> > every
> > > > day
> > > > > > and also every year I make a little something for the staff. I
> > wanted
> > > to
> > > > > > include a little card with an ECE poem with the gift.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would love to see some poems if you could send some to me,
that
> > > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > great. Let me know and I will send my email address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > "~*~Leslie~*~" <ltiller@kwic.no spam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:F7wkc.34800$kc2.504544@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> > > > > > > What are you looking for! I have 100's of them!
> > > > > > > Leslie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > "Life may not be the party we hoped for......but while we are
> here
> > > we
> > > > > > might
> > > > > > > as well dance!"
> > > > > > > "B" <b@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:KTikc.316788$Ig.213176@pd7tw2no...
> > > > > > > > I recall a few poems here posted...if anyone has them could
> you
> > > > please
> > > > > > > post
> > > > > > > > them again.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > Bernadette
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>