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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3752597.stm

Three-year-old dies from obesity

Heart failure, caused by obesity, has killed a child aged just three, it
has been revealed.
The shocking case was highlighted in a ****hing report on obesity by MPs
which says too little has been done to tackle the epidemic.

The case was revealed by doctors at the Royal London Hospital.

Specialists there have also seen four children "choked by their fat" who
need breathing ***istance to treat sleep disorders caused by blocked
airways.

The Commons Health Committee warned that obese children could become the
first generation to die before their parents.

The report warns obesity has grown by almost 400% in 25 years, with
three-quarters of adults now overweight or obese.

England has the fastest growing obesity problem in Europe, with childhood
obesity tripling in 20 years.

'Devastated'

Dr Sheila McKenzie, a consultant paediatrician at the Royal London, told
the Health Select Committee: "In the past two years one child at the age of
three has died of heart failure secondary to extreme obesity."

She said the four cases of sleep apnoea that she had seen could be
indicative of further cases.

The condition occurs when the airways become blocked by folds of fat.

"In other words, they are being choked by their own fat," she added.

"Were we able to study all severely obese children, I am confident we would
identify many more with obstructive sleep apnoea."

The Daily Mail reported that the three-year-old who died of heart failure
was a Bengali girl from east London who should have weighed around 2st 4lb
(14.5kg), but instead had a Body M*** Index (BMI) which equated to around
6st (38kg).

BMI is calculated by dividing weight in kilograms by the square of your
height in metres.

Dr Nigel Meadows, a consultant paediatrician at the Royal London Hospital,
told the newspaper: "It was a shocking case.

"You don't imagine your kid is just going to die of obesity. The parents
were devastated.

"Some may say the parents are responsible, but if a child is demanding food
it can be very difficult to refuse it."

Doctors at the hospital also reported many young patients had abnormally
high insulin levels, an indicator for Type 2 diabetes, which is related to
obesity.

Targeted marketing

Dr Tim Barrett, of Birmingham Children's Hospital, told the BBC: "Our
clinics are currently being flooded out with overweight children.

"At the moment, we haven't got adequate treatments at all. We need to set
up specialist clinics for them."

David Hinchliffe, chairman of the committee, said: "We were all shocked
when we heard about the young girl.

"I see in my constituency children who are grossly obese, but to hear of a
girl dying from heart failure was shocking."

He added: "It was the first situation of its kind we had come across but we
feel it may become a more serious consequence of obesity in the future."

The committee's report attacked the government, NHS, the food industry and
advertisers for failing to do enough to address the growing problem of
obesity.

It made almost 70 recommendations about what should be done, focussing on
the importance of ensuring children eat well and learn about nutrition.

It also called for a voluntary industry ban on junk food ads to children,
warning a statutory ban should be introduced if that failed.

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HTH

S*nort

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On 27 May 2004 21:31:31 -0000, Rejector
<whymommy@iwasntevenhungry.com> wrote:

This is definitely a post that Miss Diddle-Us would approve.

You two should get a room.

LV


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- ------------------------------------------------
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..ro..

IMO, I think a lot of these stories about the kids who are super fat
have medical issues going on. Even in the article they allude to this
fact:

"Doctors at the hospital also reported many young patients had
abnormally high insulin levels, an indicator for Type 2 diabetes,
which is related to obesity. "

Sure, hyperinsulinemia can be caused by over eating, but it seems to
ME that the ultimate cause of hyperinsulinemia is eating a high carb
diet replete in starch & simple sugars. The carbs spike insulin, which
then triggers metabolic disturbances that lead to obesity (insulin
resistence, extreme hunger which leads to over eating, low blood
sugars at first followed by hyperglycemia later, etc).

If we would all go on LC diets I gaurentee the obesity epidemic would
be completely extinguished. It is very, very rare to see someone
demand the quantity of food that an insulin resistant hyperinsulinemic
person does when eating a "normal" diet. Plus, having high insulin
levels causes fat storage even *in absense* of a big excess of
calories. Normal people's insulin levels parallel the energy they are
taking in. However, hyperinsulinemic people produce too much & have
insulin resistence which leads to slower metabolism, low
energy/fatigue, and increase tendency to store fat.

Rejector <whymommy@iwasntevenhungry.com> wrote in message news:<LF0HKBHL38134.6885532407@anonymous.poster>.. .
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3752597.stm
>
> Three-year-old dies from obesity
>
> Heart failure, caused by obesity, has killed a child aged just three, it
> has been revealed.
> The shocking case was highlighted in a ****hing report on obesity by MPs
> which says too little has been done to tackle the epidemic.
>
> The case was revealed by doctors at the Royal London Hospital.
>
> Specialists there have also seen four children "choked by their fat" who
> need breathing ***istance to treat sleep disorders caused by blocked
> airways.
>
> The Commons Health Committee warned that obese children could become the
> first generation to die before their parents.
>
> The report warns obesity has grown by almost 400% in 25 years, with
> three-quarters of adults now overweight or obese.
>
> England has the fastest growing obesity problem in Europe, with childhood
> obesity tripling in 20 years.
>
> 'Devastated'
>
> Dr Sheila McKenzie, a consultant paediatrician at the Royal London, told
> the Health Select Committee: "In the past two years one child at the age of
> three has died of heart failure secondary to extreme obesity."
>
> She said the four cases of sleep apnoea that she had seen could be
> indicative of further cases.
>
> The condition occurs when the airways become blocked by folds of fat.
>
> "In other words, they are being choked by their own fat," she added.
>
> "Were we able to study all severely obese children, I am confident we would
> identify many more with obstructive sleep apnoea."
>
> The Daily Mail reported that the three-year-old who died of heart failure
> was a Bengali girl from east London who should have weighed around 2st 4lb
> (14.5kg), but instead had a Body M*** Index (BMI) which equated to around
> 6st (38kg).
>
> BMI is calculated by dividing weight in kilograms by the square of your
> height in metres.
>
> Dr Nigel Meadows, a consultant paediatrician at the Royal London Hospital,
> told the newspaper: "It was a shocking case.
>
> "You don't imagine your kid is just going to die of obesity. The parents
> were devastated.
>
> "Some may say the parents are responsible, but if a child is demanding food
> it can be very difficult to refuse it."
>
> Doctors at the hospital also reported many young patients had abnormally
> high insulin levels, an indicator for Type 2 diabetes, which is related to
> obesity.
>
> Targeted marketing
>
> Dr Tim Barrett, of Birmingham Children's Hospital, told the BBC: "Our
> clinics are currently being flooded out with overweight children.
>
> "At the moment, we haven't got adequate treatments at all. We need to set
> up specialist clinics for them."
>
> David Hinchliffe, chairman of the committee, said: "We were all shocked
> when we heard about the young girl.
>
> "I see in my constituency children who are grossly obese, but to hear of a
> girl dying from heart failure was shocking."
>
> He added: "It was the first situation of its kind we had come across but we
> feel it may become a more serious consequence of obesity in the future."
>
> The committee's report attacked the government, NHS, the food industry and
> advertisers for failing to do enough to address the growing problem of
> obesity.
>
> It made almost 70 recommendations about what should be done, focussing on
> the importance of ensuring children eat well and learn about nutrition.
>
> It also called for a voluntary industry ban on junk food ads to children,
> warning a statutory ban should be introduced if that failed.
>
> ----------
>
> HTH
>
> S*nort

..anc..

On 27 May 2004 21:31:31 -0000, Rejector
<whymommy@iwasntevenhungry.com> wrote:

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3752597.stm
>
>Three-year-old dies from obesity
>
>Heart failure, caused by obesity, has killed a child aged just three, it
>has been revealed.
>The shocking case was highlighted in a ****hing report on obesity by MPs
>which says too little has been done to tackle the epidemic.
>
>The case was revealed by doctors at the Royal London Hospital.
>
>Specialists there have also seen four children "choked by their fat" who
>need breathing ***istance to treat sleep disorders caused by blocked
>airways.
>
>The Commons Health Committee warned that obese children could become the
>first generation to die before their parents.
>
>The report warns obesity has grown by almost 400% in 25 years, with
>three-quarters of adults now overweight or obese.
>
>England has the fastest growing obesity problem in Europe, with childhood
>obesity tripling in 20 years.
>
>'Devastated'
>
>Dr Sheila McKenzie, a consultant paediatrician at the Royal London, told
>the Health Select Committee: "In the past two years one child at the age of
>three has died of heart failure secondary to extreme obesity."
>
>She said the four cases of sleep apnoea that she had seen could be
>indicative of further cases.
>
>The condition occurs when the airways become blocked by folds of fat.
>
>"In other words, they are being choked by their own fat," she added.
>
>"Were we able to study all severely obese children, I am confident we would
>identify many more with obstructive sleep apnoea."
>
>The Daily Mail reported that the three-year-old who died of heart failure
>was a Bengali girl from east London who should have weighed around 2st 4lb
>(14.5kg), but instead had a Body M*** Index (BMI) which equated to around
>6st (38kg).
>
>BMI is calculated by dividing weight in kilograms by the square of your
>height in metres.
>
>Dr Nigel Meadows, a consultant paediatrician at the Royal London Hospital,
>told the newspaper: "It was a shocking case.
>
>"You don't imagine your kid is just going to die of obesity. The parents
>were devastated.
>
>"Some may say the parents are responsible, but if a child is demanding food
>it can be very difficult to refuse it."
>
>Doctors at the hospital also reported many young patients had abnormally
>high insulin levels, an indicator for Type 2 diabetes, which is related to
>obesity.
>
>Targeted marketing
>
>Dr Tim Barrett, of Birmingham Children's Hospital, told the BBC: "Our
>clinics are currently being flooded out with overweight children.
>
>"At the moment, we haven't got adequate treatments at all. We need to set
>up specialist clinics for them."
>
>David Hinchliffe, chairman of the committee, said: "We were all shocked
>when we heard about the young girl.
>
>"I see in my constituency children who are grossly obese, but to hear of a
>girl dying from heart failure was shocking."
>
>He added: "It was the first situation of its kind we had come across but we
>feel it may become a more serious consequence of obesity in the future."
>
>The committee's report attacked the government, NHS, the food industry and
>advertisers for failing to do enough to address the growing problem of
>obesity.
>
>It made almost 70 recommendations about what should be done, focussing on
>the importance of ensuring children eat well and learn about nutrition.
>
>It also called for a voluntary industry ban on junk food ads to children,
>warning a statutory ban should be introduced if that failed.
>
>----------
>
>HTH
>
>S*nort

I was working as a volunteer at a Food Bank for the needy. Another of
our Volunteers, a Mexican lady, would often bring her three year old
Granddaughter along with her as the Grandmother was the primary care
giver for the young child.

This 3 year old girl was immensely FAT. She did not run like other 3
years olds due to her obesity. In the Food Bank were always many
sweets, cakes, cookies, turnovers, etc, etc, etc. The young girl
NEVER stopped eating. Several of us mentioned to the Grandmother that
she doing the child a great disservice but she never made any attempt
to curtail what or how much the child was eating.

What sadness that girl has ahead of her.

The fact was inescapable that the child was vastly over consuming
calories.

Would this be considered as Child Abuse?

Francis

..os..id..

"Aurora" <aurora46@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:79154ab9.0405271807.673986bd@posting.google.c om...
> If we would all go on LC diets I gaurentee the obesity epidemic would
> be completely extinguished.

Um, if we would all eat at maintenance caloric intake and exercise, the
obesity epidemic would disappear. Americans(and Europeans) are obese because
we eat too much and lead sedentary lifestyles. Period. Chinese peasants
aren't fat. Mexican migrant workers aren't fat. Nepalese sherpas aren't fat.
Caloric excess combined with decreased physical activity causes obesity.
Period.

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On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:02:31 -0700, Francis wrote:

>On 27 May 2004 21:31:31 -0000, Rejector
><whymommy@iwasntevenhungry.com> wrote:
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3752597.stm
>>
>>Three-year-old dies from obesity
>>
>>Heart failure, caused by obesity, has killed a child aged just
>>three, it has been revealed.
>>The shocking case was highlighted in a ****hing report on obesity
>>by MPs which says too little has been done to tackle the epidemic.
>>
>>The case was revealed by doctors at the Royal London Hospital.
>>
>>Specialists there have also seen four children "choked by their
>>fat" who need breathing ***istance to treat sleep disorders caused
>>by blocked airways.
>>
>>The Commons Health Committee warned that obese children could
>>become the first generation to die before their parents.
>>
>>The report warns obesity has grown by almost 400% in 25 years, with
>>three-quarters of adults now overweight or obese.
>>
>>England has the fastest growing obesity problem in Europe, with
>>childhood obesity tripling in 20 years.
>>
>>'Devastated'
>>
>>Dr Sheila McKenzie, a consultant paediatrician at the Royal London,
>>told the Health Select Committee: "In the past two years one child
>>at the age of three has died of heart failure secondary to extreme
>>obesity."
>>
>>She said the four cases of sleep apnoea that she had seen could be
>>indicative of further cases.
>>
>>The condition occurs when the airways become blocked by folds of
>>fat.
>>
>>"In other words, they are being choked by their own fat," she
>>added.
>>
>>"Were we able to study all severely obese children, I am confident
>>we would identify many more with obstructive sleep apnoea."
>>
>>The Daily Mail reported that the three-year-old who died of heart
>>failure was a Bengali girl from east London who should have weighed
>>around 2st 4lb (14.5kg), but instead had a Body M*** Index (BMI)
>>which equated to around 6st (38kg).
>>
>>BMI is calculated by dividing weight in kilograms by the square of
>>your height in metres.
>>
>>Dr Nigel Meadows, a consultant paediatrician at the Royal London
>>Hospital, told the newspaper: "It was a shocking case.
>>
>>"You don't imagine your kid is just going to die of obesity. The
>>parents were devastated.
>>
>>"Some may say the parents are responsible, but if a child is
>>demanding food it can be very difficult to refuse it."
>>
>>Doctors at the hospital also reported many young patients had
>>abnormally high insulin levels, an indicator for Type 2 diabetes,
>>which is related to obesity.
>>
>>Targeted marketing
>>
>>Dr Tim Barrett, of Birmingham Children's Hospital, told the BBC:
>>"Our clinics are currently being flooded out with overweight
>>children.
>>
>>"At the moment, we haven't got adequate treatments at all. We need
>>to set up specialist clinics for them."
>>
>>David Hinchliffe, chairman of the committee, said: "We were all
>>shocked when we heard about the young girl.
>>
>>"I see in my constituency children who are grossly obese, but to
>>hear of a girl dying from heart failure was shocking."
>>
>>He added: "It was the first situation of its kind we had come
>>across but we feel it may become a more serious consequence of
>>obesity in the future."
>>
>>The committee's report attacked the government, NHS, the food
>>industry and advertisers for failing to do enough to address the
>>growing problem of obesity.
>>
>>It made almost 70 recommendations about what should be done,
>>focussing on the importance of ensuring children eat well and learn
>>about nutrition.
>>
>>It also called for a voluntary industry ban on junk food ads to
>>children, warning a statutory ban should be introduced if that
>>failed.
>>
>>----------
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>S*nort
>
>I was working as a volunteer at a Food Bank for the needy. Another
>of our Volunteers, a Mexican lady, would often bring her three year
>old Granddaughter along with her as the Grandmother was the primary
>care giver for the young child.
>
>This 3 year old girl was immensely FAT. She did not run like other
>3 years olds due to her obesity. In the Food Bank were always many
>sweets, cakes, cookies, turnovers, etc, etc, etc. The young girl
>NEVER stopped eating. Several of us mentioned to the Grandmother
>that she doing the child a great disservice but she never made any
>attempt to curtail what or how much the child was eating.
>
>What sadness that girl has ahead of her.
>
>The fact was inescapable that the child was vastly over consuming
>calories.
>
>Would this be considered as Child Abuse?
>
>Francis
>

It is only child abuse if the child is not taken to the doctor. That
indicates a psychological problem probably connected with the fact
that the grandmother is the primary care giver...the fault does not
lie with the grandmother...well meaning people often butt in where
they should not.

LV


Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
- ---------------------------------------------
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
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..l.. ....

Lady Veteran wrote:
>>What sadness that girl has ahead of her.
>>
>>The fact was inescapable that the child was vastly over consuming
>>calories.
>>
>>Would this be considered as Child Abuse?
>>
>>Francis
>>
>
>
> It is only child abuse if the child is not taken to the doctor. That
> indicates a psychological problem probably connected with the fact
> that the grandmother is the primary care giver...the fault does not
> lie with the grandmother...well meaning people often butt in where
> they should not.

It is child abuse in any case. The grandmother is at fault. You know,
not everyone wants to become a fat land-whale like you, most people just
like to be trim you know.. I'm sure that little girl would be better off
with a normal weight. But of course, fat people know better.


--
polar bear

..l.. ....

Gooserider wrote:
> "Aurora" <aurora46@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:79154ab9.0405271807.673986bd@posting.google.c om...
>
>>If we would all go on LC diets I gaurentee the obesity epidemic would
>>be completely extinguished.
>
>
> Um, if we would all eat at maintenance caloric intake and exercise, the
> obesity epidemic would disappear. Americans(and Europeans) are obese because
> we eat too much and lead sedentary lifestyles. Period. Chinese peasants
> aren't fat. Mexican migrant workers aren't fat. Nepalese sherpas aren't fat.
> Caloric excess combined with decreased physical activity causes obesity.
> Period.

Yes. I would like to see that fact acknoledged by a fatso. (most of them
still blame genetics).

--
polar bear

..-nn--o..

On Thu, 27 May 2004, Francis wrote:
>On 27 May 2004 21:31:31 -0000, Rejector
><whymommy@iwasntevenhungry.com> wrote:
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3752597.stm
>>
>>Three-year-old dies from obesity
>>
>>Heart failure, caused by obesity, has killed a child aged just three, it
>>has been revealed.
>>The shocking case was highlighted in a ****hing report on obesity by MPs
>>which says too little has been done to tackle the epidemic.
>>
>>The case was revealed by doctors at the Royal London Hospital.
>>
>>Specialists there have also seen four children "choked by their fat" who
>>need breathing ***istance to treat sleep disorders caused by blocked
>>airways.
>>
>>The Commons Health Committee warned that obese children could become the
>>first generation to die before their parents.
>>
>>The report warns obesity has grown by almost 400% in 25 years, with
>>three-quarters of adults now overweight or obese.
>>
>>England has the fastest growing obesity problem in Europe, with childhood
>>obesity tripling in 20 years.
>>
>>'Devastated'
>>
>>Dr Sheila McKenzie, a consultant paediatrician at the Royal London, told
>>the Health Select Committee: "In the past two years one child at the age of
>>three has died of heart failure secondary to extreme obesity."
>>
>>She said the four cases of sleep apnoea that she had seen could be
>>indicative of further cases.
>>
>>The condition occurs when the airways become blocked by folds of fat.
>>
>>"In other words, they are being choked by their own fat," she added.
>>
>>"Were we able to study all severely obese children, I am confident we would
>>identify many more with obstructive sleep apnoea."
>>
>>The Daily Mail reported that the three-year-old who died of heart failure
>>was a Bengali girl from east London who should have weighed around 2st 4lb
>>(14.5kg), but instead had a Body M*** Index (BMI) which equated to around
>>6st (38kg).
>>
>>BMI is calculated by dividing weight in kilograms by the square of your
>>height in metres.
>>
>>Dr Nigel Meadows, a consultant paediatrician at the Royal London Hospital,
>>told the newspaper: "It was a shocking case.
>>
>>"You don't imagine your kid is just going to die of obesity. The parents
>>were devastated.
>>
>>"Some may say the parents are responsible, but if a child is demanding food
>>it can be very difficult to refuse it."
>>
>>Doctors at the hospital also reported many young patients had abnormally
>>high insulin levels, an indicator for Type 2 diabetes, which is related to
>>obesity.
>>
>>Targeted marketing
>>
>>Dr Tim Barrett, of Birmingham Children's Hospital, told the BBC: "Our
>>clinics are currently being flooded out with overweight children.
>>
>>"At the moment, we haven't got adequate treatments at all. We need to set
>>up specialist clinics for them."
>>
>>David Hinchliffe, chairman of the committee, said: "We were all shocked
>>when we heard about the young girl.
>>
>>"I see in my constituency children who are grossly obese, but to hear of a
>>girl dying from heart failure was shocking."
>>
>>He added: "It was the first situation of its kind we had come across but we
>>feel it may become a more serious consequence of obesity in the future."
>>
>>The committee's report attacked the government, NHS, the food industry and
>>advertisers for failing to do enough to address the growing problem of
>>obesity.
>>
>>It made almost 70 recommendations about what should be done, focussing on
>>the importance of ensuring children eat well and learn about nutrition.
>>
>>It also called for a voluntary industry ban on junk food ads to children,
>>warning a statutory ban should be introduced if that failed.
>>
>>----------
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>S*nort
>
>I was working as a volunteer at a Food Bank for the needy. Another of
>our Volunteers, a Mexican lady, would often bring her three year old
>Granddaughter along with her as the Grandmother was the primary care
>giver for the young child.
>
>This 3 year old girl was immensely FAT. She did not run like other 3
>years olds due to her obesity. In the Food Bank were always many
>sweets, cakes, cookies, turnovers, etc, etc, etc. The young girl
>NEVER stopped eating. Several of us mentioned to the Grandmother that
>she doing the child a great disservice but she never made any attempt
>to curtail what or how much the child was eating.
>
>What sadness that girl has ahead of her.
>
>The fact was inescapable that the child was vastly over consuming
>calories.
>
>Would this be considered as Child Abuse?
>
>Francis

Yes this is child abuse. See my post about the three year old child who
died from obesity. Kids who are allowed to feed on an endless trough by
their guardians should be removed from custody and the guardians jailed.

HTH

S*nort

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On 31 May 2004 03:57:49 -0000, s--nn--ort <s--nn--ort@umc.com> wrote:
>
>Yes this is child abuse. See my post about the three year old child
>who died from obesity. Kids who are allowed to feed on an endless
>trough by their guardians should be removed from custody and the
>guardians jailed.
>
>HTH
>
>S*nort
Somebody should take you behind the barn and harvest your mountain
oysters. You don't need them-you never use them...

Show yourself you coward.

LV


Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
- ---------------------------------------------
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
- -------------------------------


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