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THE GRAY ZONE
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
How a secret Pentagon program came to Abu Ghraib.
Issue of 2004-05-24
Posted 2004-05-15

The roots of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal lie not in the criminal
inclinations of a few Army reservists but in a decision, approved last
year by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to expand a highly
secret operation, which had been focussed on the hunt for Al Qaeda, to
the interrogation of prisoners in Iraq. Rumsfeld’s decision embittered
the American intelligence community, damaged the effectiveness of
élite combat units, and hurt America’s prospects in the war on terror.

According to interviews with several past and present American
intelligence officials, the Pentagon’s operation, known inside the
intelligence community by several code words, including Copper Green,
encouraged physical coercion and ***ual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners
in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing
insurgency in Iraq. A senior C.I.A. official, in confirming the
details of this account last week, said that the operation stemmed
from Rumsfeld’s long-standing desire to wrest control of America’s
clandestine and paramilitary operations from the C.I.A.

<http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact>

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On Sun, 16 May 2004 01:33:17 GMT, cg
<cgrams007@{take-this-out}yahoo.com> wrote:

>The opening two paragraphs from this article follow;
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>THE GRAY ZONE
>by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
>How a secret Pentagon program came to Abu Ghraib.
>Issue of 2004-05-24
>Posted 2004-05-15
>
>The roots of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal lie not in the criminal
>inclinations of a few Army reservists but in a decision, approved last
>year by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to expand a highly
>secret operation, which had been focussed on the hunt for Al Qaeda, to
>the interrogation of prisoners in Iraq. Rumsfeld’s decision embittered
>the American intelligence community, damaged the effectiveness of
>élite combat units, and hurt America’s prospects in the war on terror.
>
>According to interviews with several past and present American
>intelligence officials, the Pentagon’s operation, known inside the
>intelligence community by several code words, including Copper Green,
>encouraged physical coercion and ***ual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners
>in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing
>insurgency in Iraq. A senior C.I.A. official, in confirming the
>details of this account last week, said that the operation stemmed
>from Rumsfeld’s long-standing desire to wrest control of America’s
>clandestine and paramilitary operations from the C.I.A.
>
><http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact>

Dam you beat me to it. <grin>

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Ray
Mind over matter, if you don’t mind, it don’t matter.
(Confucius)

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cg wrote:

> The opening two paragraphs from this article follow;
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE GRAY ZONE
> by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
> How a secret Pentagon program came to Abu Ghraib.
> Issue of 2004-05-24
> Posted 2004-05-15
>
> The roots of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal lie not in the criminal
> inclinations of a few Army reservists but in a decision, approved last
> year by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to expand a highly
> secret operation, which had been focussed on the hunt for Al Qaeda, to
> the interrogation of prisoners in Iraq. Rumsfeld’s decision embittered
> the American intelligence community, damaged the effectiveness of
> élite combat units, and hurt America’s prospects in the war on terror.
>
> According to interviews with several past and present American
> intelligence officials, the Pentagon’s operation, known inside the
> intelligence community by several code words, including Copper Green,
> encouraged physical coercion and ***ual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners
> in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing
> insurgency in Iraq. A senior C.I.A. official, in confirming the
> details of this account last week, said that the operation stemmed
> from Rumsfeld’s long-standing desire to wrest control of America’s
> clandestine and paramilitary operations from the C.I.A.
>
> <http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact>
>
> --
> cg

If this be true, this is a wildfire that Bush has to act decisively on and ****can
Rumsfeld. This is not a type of issue for the die-hards to circle the wagons on,
unless they want a "Custers last stand". And if true, you can count on me to support
Rumsfeld departure.
One thing for certain, there certainly is a rift going on between Defense Department
and CIA.

..d .... .... ..rryi.. ..rmudge..

On Sun, 16 May 2004 01:33:17 GMT no one of any importance going
by the name of, cg said about, "If true, Rumsfeld is toast...",

>The opening two paragraphs from this article follow;

ABC's Nightline did a segment on the CIA's secret prison,
and what is going on there, and how Rumsfild's "The Geniver
Convention does not apply" Now the CIA's secret prison is not
just one place but many places out side of the US. How they are
not following the Geniver Convention, and the prisons will never
be charged or even releast.

That there are thoes in the Military and the CIA are now
coming out against Rumsfild and are spilling the beans sort of in
secret. There seams to be a lot of folks who don't like how
Rumsfild is doing things.
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Duine is Zion Moslim Bigot, who loves to see Jews
Murder US Sailors...

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On Sun, 16 May 2004 02:18:13 -0500, Tom Aldrich
<TomAlrich@usenetserver.com> wrote:

>If this be true, this is a wildfire that Bush has to act decisively on and ****can
>Rumsfeld. This is not a type of issue for the die-hards to circle the wagons on,
>unless they want a "Custers last stand". And if true, you can count on me to support
>Rumsfeld departure.

Sec. Rumsfeld has denied he approved any such expansion. I personally
believe the devil will be found in the details and the interpretation
of something he did approve. He'll say, "Well yes I did approve that
but I never intended it to be implemented in that manner."

Just my guess.

>One thing for certain, there certainly is a rift going on between Defense Department
>and CIA.

There is also a much reported rift between Sec. Rumsfeld and Sec.
Powell.

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cg

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On Sun, 16 May 2004 01:47:26 -0700, Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon
<oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote:

> ABC's Nightline did a segment on the CIA's secret prison,
>and what is going on there, and how Rumsfild's "The Geniver
>Convention does not apply" Now the CIA's secret prison is not
>just one place but many places out side of the US. How they are
>not following the Geniver Convention, and the prisons will never
>be charged or even releast.

I'd be interested in any references you might be able to provide. For
instance,among other things, I'd like to know where the CIA's "secret
prison" is located. I'd also be interested to find out rather this
involves more than Al Qaeda members since captured Al Qaeda members
have been designated as "non-combatants" and are not subject to the
Geneva Conventions.
>
> That there are thoes in the Military and the CIA are now
>coming out against Rumsfild and are spilling the beans sort of in
>secret. There seams to be a lot of folks who don't like how
>Rumsfild is doing things.

Sec. Rumsfeld seems to have a knack at ticking others off.

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cg

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cg,

> Sec. Rumsfeld seems to have a knack at ticking others off.

With the exception of Powell, it's a pretty pervasive knack in this
Administrtion.

Allan

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One asks, many answer, all learn. Plato - on the 'Forum'
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True Civility is when everyone gives to every other one every right
that they claim for themselves.

"cg" <cgrams007@{take-this-out}yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:22nea01965nb1mo2iis6sdo95vfmd8bait@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 16 May 2004 01:47:26 -0700, Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon
> <oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote:
>
>> ABC's Nightline did a segment on the CIA's secret prison,
>>and what is going on there, and how Rumsfild's "The Geniver
>>Convention does not apply" Now the CIA's secret prison is not
>>just one place but many places out side of the US. How they are
>>not following the Geniver Convention, and the prisons will never
>>be charged or even releast.
>
> I'd be interested in any references you might be able to provide. For
> instance,among other things, I'd like to know where the CIA's "secret
> prison" is located. I'd also be interested to find out rather this
> involves more than Al Qaeda members since captured Al Qaeda members
> have been designated as "non-combatants" and are not subject to the
> Geneva Conventions.
>>
>> That there are thoes in the Military and the CIA are now
>>coming out against Rumsfild and are spilling the beans sort of in
>>secret. There seams to be a lot of folks who don't like how
>>Rumsfild is doing things.
>
> Sec. Rumsfeld seems to have a knack at ticking others off.
>
> --
> cg

.... ..Gui..

Please let this be the end of the evil bastard.
"cg" <cgrams007@{take-this-out}yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The opening two paragraphs from this article follow;
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
>
> THE GRAY ZONE
> by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
> How a secret Pentagon program came to Abu Ghraib.
> Issue of 2004-05-24
> Posted 2004-05-15
>
> The roots of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal lie not in the criminal
> inclinations of a few Army reservists but in a decision, approved last
> year by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to expand a highly
> secret operation, which had been focussed on the hunt for Al Qaeda, to
> the interrogation of prisoners in Iraq. Rumsfeld's decision embittered
> the American intelligence community, damaged the effectiveness of
> élite combat units, and hurt America's prospects in the war on terror.
>
> According to interviews with several past and present American
> intelligence officials, the Pentagon's operation, known inside the
> intelligence community by several code words, including Copper Green,
> encouraged physical coercion and ***ual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners
> in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing
> insurgency in Iraq. A senior C.I.A. official, in confirming the
> details of this account last week, said that the operation stemmed
> from Rumsfeld's long-standing desire to wrest control of America's
> clandestine and paramilitary operations from the C.I.A.
>
> <http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact>
>
> --
> cg

.. ..perczyns..

Another article based on anonymous sources. I'm appropriately
impressed.

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On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:39:13 GMT, "Sean McGuire"
<mcguire.s@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Please let this be the end of the evil bastard.

I would like to see him gone but I don't believe he is an evil
bastard. At least not yet.

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cg