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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:16 GMT, "Jerry" <g.h.johnson@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I would think that you, if nobody else, would realize that the
>measure of someone is the quality of their ideas, now how
>polished the presentation of those ideas. You'd surely agree
>that those who criticise your spelling instead of your points
>are not being fair or wise, wouldn't you? Why wouldn't
>you grant others the same for their public speaking?

My, my, my. Touché.

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cg

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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:23:31 -0700, "Billy Bigelow" <nomail@thank.you>
wrote:

>"Al Superczynski" <modeleral@deadspam.com>
>
>> Clinton wouldn't know cl*** if it bit him in
>> the.................***.
>
>Now that's a ...cl*** ...statement... <eyes rolling>
>
>
How true that is but that's good old Al. This could come back on good
old Nancy if she does this. But I don't think she cares.
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Ray
Mind over matter, if you don’t mind, it don’t matter.
(Confucius)

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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 02:08:16 -0700, Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon
<oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:03:18 GMT the great cry-baby, Al
>Superczynski gave a whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",
>
>>>What a cl*** act.
>>
>> Clinton wouldn't know cl*** if it bit him in
>>the.................***.
>
> Clinton would beable to say things eloquently if give the
>chance. Bush on the other hand, will probley sound like a fool,
>and get toung tide.

Watching Bush cl*** is very painful so I turn it off. I hate to see a
grown man suffer. <g>
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> / /_/ / _ / / /_/ / ____/ / / /_/ / _ / / /_
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> I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

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Ray
Mind over matter, if you don’t mind, it don’t matter.
(Confucius)

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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:16 GMT, "Jerry" <g.h.johnson@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Old Salt,
>
>I would think that you, if nobody else, would realize that the
>measure of someone is the quality of their ideas, now how
>polished the presentation of those ideas. You'd surely agree
>that those who criticise your spelling instead of your points
>are not being fair or wise, wouldn't you? Why wouldn't
>you grant others the same for their public speaking?
>
>Jerry

I think OS has taken his fair share of hits over what he states up front
that is a problem for him. Now if we could only get Bush to come clean
we would be on a roll. To think some complain about Kerry but are
blinded by the likes of Bush. I just love it. <grin>

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>"Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon" wrote ...
>|
>| Clinton would beable to say things eloquently if give the
>| chance. Bush on the other hand, will probley sound like a fool,
>| and get toung tide.
>

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Ray
Mind over matter, if you don’t mind, it don’t matter.
(Confucius)

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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:39:31 GMT the great cry-baby, cg gave a
whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",

>And your point had zip to do with the point I was making. So, what is
>your point? <sorry - I couldn't resist>

Now I can't remember what it was, or really care anymore
about it. The sun is coming up, and today is Mexican at the
buffay, where I will put on the feed bag.
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__ __ \___ /______ / __ ___/______ ____ /__ /_
_ / / /__ / _ __ / _____ \ _ __ `/__ / _ __/
/ /_/ / _ / / /_/ / ____/ / / /_/ / _ / / /_
\____/ /_/ \__,_/ /____/ \__,_/ /_/ \__/
I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

..d .... .... ..rryi.. ..rmudge..

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:16 GMT the great cry-baby, Jerry gave a
whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",

>I would think that you, if nobody else, would realize that the
>measure of someone is the quality of their ideas, now how
>polished the presentation of those ideas. You'd surely agree
>that those who criticise your spelling instead of your points
>are not being fair or wise, wouldn't you? Why wouldn't
>you grant others the same for their public speaking?

Even if Bush was a silver toung devil, his ideas are for
****. There is NOTHING about the man I think is worth while, let
alone having him hold the office he currently does.
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_ / / /__ / _ __ / _____ \ _ __ `/__ / _ __/
/ /_/ / _ / / /_/ / ____/ / / /_/ / _ / / /_
\____/ /_/ \__,_/ /____/ \__,_/ /_/ \__/
I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

..d .... .... ..rryi.. ..rmudge..

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:01:57 GMT the great cry-baby, Al
Superczynski gave a whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",

>On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:16 GMT, "Jerry" <g.h.johnson@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>You'd surely agree
>>that those who criticise your spelling instead of your points
>>are not being fair or wise, wouldn't you? Why wouldn't
>>you grant others the same for their public speaking?
>
> That would require OS to be even-handed, a concept apparently
>foreign to him.

Not at all, I dump on who ever has the job of President.
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_ / / /__ / _ __ / _____ \ _ __ `/__ / _ __/
/ /_/ / _ / / /_/ / ____/ / / /_/ / _ / / /_
\____/ /_/ \__,_/ /____/ \__,_/ /_/ \__/
I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

..d .... .... ..rryi.. ..rmudge..

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:45:49 -0500 the great cry-baby, Ray gave a
whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",

>Now if we could only get Bush to come clean
>we would be on a roll.

Like what broke in the news yesterday, about the chance
they he might have been the one who gave the orders to torturer
Iraq POW. See my thread on this subject else where in this NG.
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__ __ \___ /______ / __ ___/______ ____ /__ /_
_ / / /__ / _ __ / _____ \ _ __ `/__ / _ __/
/ /_/ / _ / / /_/ / ____/ / / /_/ / _ / / /_
\____/ /_/ \__,_/ /____/ \__,_/ /_/ \__/
I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:50:35 -0700, Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon
<oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:39:31 GMT the great cry-baby, cg gave a
>whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",
>
>>And your point had zip to do with the point I was making. So, what is
>>your point? <sorry - I couldn't resist>
>
> Now I can't remember what it was, or really care anymore
>about it. The sun is coming up, and today is Mexican at the
>buffay, where I will put on the feed bag.

Enjoy.

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cg

..KCopela..

"Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon" <oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote in
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> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:16 GMT the great cry-baby, Jerry gave a
> whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",
>

>
> Even if Bush was a silver toung devil,

If Bush was a "silver tongued devil", he would probably, already be joining
the ranks of the "greatest" presidents ..........

In the late 30's, Roosevelt's oratory was the sole device that moved the
American people from fanatical isolationism to an acceptance that America
needed to become at least marginally involved in the expanding conflict in
Europe.

BTW. Roosevelt lied through his teeth. He promised over and over that he
would never send "American boys" to die on European battlefields, which he
worked tirelessly to get America into the war.

It's not much of a leap to say that neither Truman, nor Eisenhower (two near
great presidents) would have been able to accomplish that Roosevelt's feat
since neither of them were all that good at public speaking. (It's almost
mystical. Truman made the right decisions. Eisenhower made them work.)

In fact, it's probably Roosevelt's oratory that usually puts him over the
top, and lands him on various "Greatest President's" lists.

Reagan's speeches, delivered over a period, are generally credited with
dispelling "The National Malaise" that affected America, after a series of
ineffective presidents, various disheartening foreign affairs .........
History will be the judge, but Reagan may eventually be rated with
Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt.

George Bush will, almost certainly achieve Truman's "near great" status. As
erudite people have pointed out, Truman's decisions (not Roosevelt's!!!)
determined the course the policy of America that was followed for decades.
Bush's decisions will most likely, follow the same course as Truman's.

Oratory isn't sufficient, on it's own. Bill Clinton could give superb
speeches, (especially after his people curbed his tendency to go on way too
long), but no one expects his presidency to be rated at much above
"average". (It's been pointed out many, that expectations were that
Clinton, with his natural gifts, had all the ingredients to be a great
president. He failed to deliver, and that was an astounding
disappointment.)

However, as many historians have pointed out, it generally takes a war for
"greatness" to emerge. Without 9/11 Bush would probably have drifted into
sheer "average".

James...
BTW, Truman's popularity, while he was in office, set the bar for some of
the lowest ratings, ever.