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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:11:06 GMT the great cry-baby, cg gave a
whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",

>Enjoy.

I will.
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I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:40:52 GMT the great cry-baby, J&KCopeland
gave a whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",

>History will be the judge, but Reagan may eventually be rated with
>Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt.

Reagan is number 3, only FDR and JFK come in 1 and 2
respectively. Going by some poll on Greatest's American
Presidents.

>
>George Bush will, almost certainly achieve Truman's "near great" status.

Doubt this very much.
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I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

..KCopela..

"Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon" <oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote in
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> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:40:52 GMT the great cry-baby, J&KCopeland
> gave a whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",
>
> >History will be the judge, but Reagan may eventually be rated with
> >Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt.
>
> Reagan is number 3, only FDR and JFK come in 1 and 2
> respectively. Going by some poll on Greatest's American
> Presidents.
>

JFK barely makes the list of any historians. An election is a popularity
contest. However, the administration is completely different. History,
mosaic...

http://www.opinionjournal.com/hail/rankings.html

..y

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:55:23 -0700, Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon
<oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:45:49 -0500 the great cry-baby, Ray gave a
>whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",
>
>>Now if we could only get Bush to come clean
>>we would be on a roll.
>
> Like what broke in the news yesterday, about the chance
>they he might have been the one who gave the orders to torturer
>Iraq POW. See my thread on this subject else where in this NG.

I did. I agree. He did. <g>
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> I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

--

Ray
Mind over matter, if you don’t mind, it don’t matter.
(Confucius)

..y

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:40:52 GMT, "J&KCopeland" <jckc@kc.rr.com> wrote:

>
>"Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon" <oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote in
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>> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:16 GMT the great cry-baby, Jerry gave a
>> whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",
>>
>
>>
>> Even if Bush was a silver toung devil,
>
>If Bush was a "silver tongued devil", he would probably, already be joining
>the ranks of the "greatest" presidents ..........
>
>In the late 30's, Roosevelt's oratory was the sole device that moved the
>American people from fanatical isolationism to an acceptance that America
>needed to become at least marginally involved in the expanding conflict in
>Europe.
>
>BTW. Roosevelt lied through his teeth. He promised over and over that he
>would never send "American boys" to die on European battlefields, which he
>worked tirelessly to get America into the war.
>
>It's not much of a leap to say that neither Truman, nor Eisenhower (two near
>great presidents) would have been able to accomplish that Roosevelt's feat
>since neither of them were all that good at public speaking. (It's almost
>mystical. Truman made the right decisions. Eisenhower made them work.)
>
>In fact, it's probably Roosevelt's oratory that usually puts him over the
>top, and lands him on various "Greatest President's" lists.
>
>Reagan's speeches, delivered over a period, are generally credited with
>dispelling "The National Malaise" that affected America, after a series of
>ineffective presidents, various disheartening foreign affairs .........
>History will be the judge, but Reagan may eventually be rated with
>Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt.
>
>George Bush will, almost certainly achieve Truman's "near great" status. As
>erudite people have pointed out, Truman's decisions (not Roosevelt's!!!)
>determined the course the policy of America that was followed for decades.
>Bush's decisions will most likely, follow the same course as Truman's.

I'll have to save this one to show you later when the rest of the story
comes out which I think will.

>Oratory isn't sufficient, on it's own. Bill Clinton could give superb
>speeches, (especially after his people curbed his tendency to go on way too
>long), but no one expects his presidency to be rated at much above
>"average". (It's been pointed out many, that expectations were that
>Clinton, with his natural gifts, had all the ingredients to be a great
>president. He failed to deliver, and that was an astounding
>disappointment.)
>
>However, as many historians have pointed out, it generally takes a war for
>"greatness" to emerge. Without 9/11 Bush would probably have drifted into
>sheer "average".

History will not be kind to Bush.

>James...
>BTW, Truman's popularity, while he was in office, set the bar for some of
>the lowest ratings, ever.
>

--

Ray
Mind over matter, if you don’t mind, it don’t matter.
(Confucius)

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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:18:29 GMT the great cry-baby, J&KCopeland
gave a whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",

>JFK barely makes the list of any historians.

Maybe, I believe the poll was voted by just people, not
historians.
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_ / / /__ / _ __ / _____ \ _ __ `/__ / _ __/
/ /_/ / _ / / /_/ / ____/ / / /_/ / _ / / /_
\____/ /_/ \__,_/ /____/ \__,_/ /_/ \__/
I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

..KCopela..

"Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon" <oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote in
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> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:18:29 GMT the great cry-baby, J&KCopeland
> gave a whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",
>
> >JFK barely makes the list of any historians.
>
> Maybe, I believe the poll was voted by just people, not
> historians.

Truman established the bar for how low a president could go in popularity
and still retain his office. HOWEVER, historians (true historians and not
propagandists) usually pay very little attention to popularity.

As Tim Russert said in p***ing, the history of Ronald Reagan STARTED this
week.

James...

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:13:51 GMT the great cry-baby, J&KCopeland
gave a whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",

>As Tim Russert said in p***ing, the history of Ronald Reagan STARTED this
>week.

I agree, he was a mediocre President while he was in
office. It's the man people forning over, not what he did while
in office.
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/ /_/ / _ / / /_/ / ____/ / / /_/ / _ / / /_
\____/ /_/ \__,_/ /____/ \__,_/ /_/ \__/
I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

..KCopela..

"Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon" <oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote in
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> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:13:51 GMT the great cry-baby, J&KCopeland
> gave a whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",
>
> >As Tim Russert said in p***ing, the history of Ronald Reagan STARTED this
> >week.
>
> I agree, he was a mediocre President while he was in
> office. It's the man people forning over, not what he did while
> in office.

Who are you agreeing with?

James..

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"Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon" <oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote in
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> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:13:51 GMT the great cry-baby, J&KCopeland
> gave a whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: Poor baby",
>
> >As Tim Russert said in p***ing, the history of Ronald Reagan STARTED this
> >week.
>
> I agree, he was a mediocre President while he was in
> office. It's the man people forning over, not what he did while
> in office.

Someone please interpret this illiterate moron's "It's the man people
forning over" statement.

Duine