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..anci..

For instance, I believe it makes a great deal of sense to prosecute those
who know they are infected with HIV/AIDS yet continue to engage in ***ual
activity that can p*** the infection along. If that requires new law, so be
it. This is not your average ***ually communicated disease.

I have a problem with the above view because it opens up a huge legal issue
where precedents can be set for application to other cir***stances that may
cause harm. It could extend to any behavior or action which results in the
development of a life threatening illness. Think cancer from smoking. Think
obesity and heart disease from McDonalds. HIV/AIDS is a slow killer, which
you can't put a definite time frame on. What has to be done with HIV is to
normalize it. Remove the stigma, and have testing for it commonly included
in the healthcare of. everyone who engages in unprotected ***. The big
problem is the myths surrounding risk and transmission. Even someone in a
monogamous relationship is at risk if their partner has *** away from the
relationship. It's about trust. Not every transmission is a conscious act.
And risk is not limited to homo***ual activity.
"cg" <cgrams007@{take-this-out}yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:29:18 GMT, "Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Those who condemn history are forced to repeat it.
>
> Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
>
> Condemnation is an entirely different matter. The manner in which you
> used history, IMO, simply has no place in the message you seem so
> dedicated to disseminating. I happen to feel you have far too
> important a message to engage in petty slamming. Forgiveness would
> fit much better.
>
> As proof, I see that there are already two posts that you've directly
> enabled by bringing up President Reagan's responsibility. Both of
> them have more than a little validity.
>
> The issue of responsibility goes far beyond President Reagan and you
> have to know that. If you end up centering everyone's attention of
> President Reagan you have already lost half the battle. People tune
> you out or they see it as political enmity and tune out the entire
> issue of AIDS/HIV prevention and care. That can't be what you want.
>
> It sure as hell isn't what I want. For instance, I believe it makes a
> great deal of sense to prosecute those who know they are infected with
> HIV/AIDS yet continue to engage in ***ual activity that can p*** the
> infection along. If that requires new law, so be it. This is not
> your average ***ually communicated disease.
>
> You may, or may not, agree with this but I'd suggest to you that a
> debate over legal action is far more in line with what I think your
> real goals are than some arcane exchange of words over something that
> cannot be changed.
>
> --
> cg

..anci..

You need to update your information. Not all transmission is by a conscious
act. What about someone who is in a monogamous relationship, either gay or
straight, who contracts the virus from their partner who is having ***
outside of the relationship? It is a question of trust. Many women are
infected this way. Especially in immigrant communities where the man is
king. These women do not negotiate safer ***. If they do, they are at risk
for domestic violence.
"Duine" <duine@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net> wrote in message
> news:qUjzc.64644$Gx4.19673@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > National Day of Mourning
> > Friday, June 11, 2004 - As the nation observes a day of mourning for
> former
>
> <snip>
>
> >demand accountability from our leaders,
>
> After seeing this 3 times, I have to ask is there any intent to demand
> accountability from those who voluntarily engage in conduct which enables
> the spread of this disease or is that asking too much?
>
> Duine
>
>
>
>

..anci..

Has this occurred to you? Not all transmission is by a conscious act. What
about someone who is in a monogamous relationship, either gay or straight,
who contracts the virus from their partner who is having *** outside of the
relationship? It is a question of trust. Many women are infected this way.
Especially in immigrant communities where the man is king. These women do
not negotiate safer ***. If they do, they are at risk for domestic violence.
As for the money- it came at the end of his second term, and wasn't
implemented until he left office. Research the "Ryan White Care Act" online,
if you like. Note that the average Community Based Organization which
provides direct services to people living with HIV/AIDS has an annual budget
in the millions. Most of the early effort to fight HIV/AIDS was done by the
states and gr*** roots community organizations. STD's are plentiful. The
trouble is, this one kills. All those kids you talk about need to be taught
about what we are talking about. Try to get that on the agenda at your local
school board.

"IgwanaRob" <THEIgwanaRobATITUDE@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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> In an effort to amuse and confuse me, Duine blurted out :
>
> > "Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net> wrote in message
> > news:qUjzc.64644$Gx4.19673@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> >> demand accountability from our leaders,
> >
> > After seeing this 3 times, I have to ask is there any intent to demand
> > accountability from those who voluntarily engage in conduct which
> > enables the spread of this disease or is that asking too much?
> >
> > Duine
>
> These jack***es that keep spouting this "lack of any action" BS are
getting
> tiresome (they're all over the place this past week). Facts always seem to
> get in to way of idiots like this, so here's some of those things they
fear
> so much (facts that is):
>
> ~~~~
>
> From http://www.nationalreview.com/murdoc...0312030913.asp :
> "As I recall, from 1984 onward - and bear in mind that the AIDS virus was
> not identified until 1982 - every Reagan budget contained a large sum of
> money specifically earmarked for AIDS," says Peter Robinson, a former
Reagan
> speechwriter and author of How Ronald Reagan Changed My Life. "Now, people
> will argue that it wasn't enough," Robinson adds. "But, of course, that's
> the kind of argument that takes place over every item in the federal
budget.
> Nevertheless, the notion that he was somehow callous or had a cruel or
> cynical attitude towards homo***uals or AIDS victims is just ridiculous."
>
> In February 1986, President Reagan's blueprint for the next fiscal year
> stated: "[T]his budget provides funds for maintaining - and in some cases
> expanding - high priority programs in crucial areas of national
> interest.including drug enforcement, AIDS research, the space program,
> nonmilitary research and national security." Reagan's budget message added
> that AIDS "remains the highest public health priority of the Department of
> Health and Human Services."
>
> Precise budget requests are difficult to calculate, as online records from
> the 1980s are spotty. Nevertheless, New York University's archived, hard
> copies of budget do***ents from fiscal year 1984 through FY 1989 show that
> Reagan proposed at least $2.79 billion for AIDS research, education, and
> treatment. In a Congressional Research Service study titled AIDS Funding
for
> Federal Government Programs: FY1981-FY1999, author Judith Johnson found
that
> overall, the federal government spent $5.727 billion on AIDS under Ronald
> Reagan. This higher number reflects President Reagan's proposals as well
as
> additional expenditures approved by Congress that he later signed. "
>
> ~~~
>
>
> If AIDS and the Flesh Eating virus were only discovered today, I think the
> later would get more attention and funding for research, etc. It's
obviously
> the more scary of the two, on paper at least. Let's see - something that
> eats you away from the outside in, and kills you in mere hours vs.
something
> that, although devastating in the long run, is comparatively easy to avoid
> contracting and/or spreading *and* can be lived with to a degree. Yeah I'd
> be a hell of a lot more scared of that flesh eating thing. Of course, in
the
> long run that would have turned out to be the wrong decision, but when a
> disease is new, mostly unknown, and fairly uncommon, it's damn near
> impossible to correctly dictate it's progression in the near future. Toss
in
> the very real threat of the Nuclear Arms Race and the very real threat of
> the Cold War, and you try to guess which is more important at that time in
> history, with the information that was known.
>
> Is AIDS a serious threat? There's no argument there. Could more have been
> done? Well duh, more can always have been done for ANY and EVERY issue in
> retrospect, but these ***wipes that continue to say that nothing was done
> and the Reagan was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of
> people who contracted this disease because he did not provide funding for
> research, etc. are really starting to get annoying.
>
> The simple fact is the quickness that the disease spread and the number of
> people infected in those early years was damn near impossible to guess due
> to the social conditions of the time. Most gay people were not going to
> expose themselves due to social persecution and the all too common
ignorant
> stereotypes at the time. Even straight people were afraid to admit that
they
> had the disease - or simply get tested - because of the fear of being
> labeled as gay. It wasn't until Magic Johnson came out and said he was
> infected that the general media even latched onto the seriousness of the
> disease. Even after he came forward, people were still joking that they
> didn't he was gay.
>
> The fact is that we DO know how the disease is transmitted, and how to
avoid
> contracting it for the most part, there are way too many people insisting
an
> having unprotected ***, *** with anything that moves, sharing needles with
> addicts, and the few [too many] sociopaths that willing try to infect
others
> through ***, drugs, or intentionally contaminating medical supplies (and
I'm
> sure the level of responsibility and maturity for the increasingly younger
> age of ***ually active children is going to come into play more and more).
> Yet those people are not responsible, Reagan is.
>
> Typical morons.
>
> Here's a concept that seems all too foreign these days - How about
***uming
> a little *Personal Responsibility* for a friggin change folks. Stop
****ing
> whining that someone else is responsible for your situation and your
> inaction and do something about it!
>
>
> /rant
>
> --
> © ~~Iggy~~
> (©)(©)
> ------ooo--(__)--ooo------
> ~~Drop 'The Attitude' before e-mailing~~
> www.cyberhelpdesk.net
>
>
>

..anci..

Has this occurred to you? Not all transmission is by a conscious act. What
about someone who is in a monogamous relationship, either gay or straight,
who contracts the virus from their partner who is having *** outside of the
relationship? It is a question of trust. Many women are infected this way.
Especially in immigrant communities where the man is king. These women do
not negotiate safer ***. If they do, they are at risk for domestic violence.

"Wizard of Draws" <jeffbREMOVE@REMOVEwizardofdraws.com> wrote in message
news:BCF3BDAF.130D1%jeffbREMOVE@REMOVEwizardofdraw s.com...
> On 6/14/04 11:56 AM, in article
> qUjzc.64644$Gx4.19673@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Seancito"
> <nada@nada****ada.net> wrote:
>
> > National Day of Mourning
> > Friday, June 11, 2004 - As the nation observes a day of mourning for
former
> > President Ronald Reagan, we at Gay Men's Health Crisis stand together
with
> > our brothers and sisters across the country to remember the thousands of
> > men, women and children who have died of AIDS because of the inaction
and
> > silence of his Administration. While our doors will remain open to
serve
> > our clients and provide the critical services on which they rely, we
look to
> > this day to remember those we have lost while reflecting on the work
that
> > remains to be done. On this day, we recommit ourselves to continue to
> > support people living with HIV, demand accountability from our leaders,
> > fight for a world without AIDS, and not permit the return of the silence
> > that resulted in so many deaths.
> > © 2004 Gay Men's Health Crisis
> >
> >
>
> Of the thousands that have died, is it safe to ***ume that they only
p***ed
> away during the Reagan administration? Were there not 4 years of President
> GHW Bush, followed by 8 years of clinton? Why do you only lay blame at the
> feet of one man?
>
> Further, after decades of HIV prevention awareness, why is this again a
> growing problem in the gay community? People that knowingly engage in
unsafe
> behavior, do not often elicit my sympathies when that behavior results in
> their p***ing. If the gay community wants to take my tax money to research
a
> cure, then the gay community has a responsibility to mitigate the spread
of
> HIV/AIDS.
>
> Perhaps you should reflect on prevention and recommit yourselves to
healthy
> lives?
> --
> Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
> Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
> www.wizardofdraws.com
> www.cartoonclipart.com
>

..d .... .... ..rryi.. ..rmudge..

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:40:15 -0400 the great cry-baby, Wizard of
Draws gave a whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: National Day of
Mourning",

>Further, after decades of HIV prevention awareness, why is this again a
>growing problem in the gay community?

Since unsafe *** is more fun for them, as they jump from
partner to partner in glory holes in bars on the water front.
Which no longer get raided by the cops due to it being PC to let
them have there fun.

What happen to days when you had a comunical desiess you
were quarantined.
--
_______ _______________ ________ ___________
__ __ \___ /______ / __ ___/______ ____ /__ /_
_ / / /__ / _ __ / _____ \ _ __ `/__ / _ __/
/ /_/ / _ / / /_/ / ____/ / / /_/ / _ / / /_
\____/ /_/ \__,_/ /____/ \__,_/ /_/ \__/
I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

..wanaR..

Typical. Dodge the issues and simply repeat the same thing over and over...


<snipped repetative troll>

--
© ~~Iggy~~
(©)(©)
------ooo--(__)--ooo------
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www.cyberhelpdesk.net

..anci..

Further, after decades of HIV prevention awareness, why is this again a
growing problem in the gay community? People that knowingly engage in unsafe
behavior, do not often elicit my sympathies when that behavior results in
their p***ing. If the gay community wants to take my tax money to research a
cure, then the gay community has a responsibility to mitigate the spread of
HIV/AIDS.
This is true and this is why you need education for prevention. However, the
above is only one form of transmission. After the drugs came out to treat
HIV/AIDS, the message that got out to young gay men, as well as to the
general public, was "AIDS is over". Well, there isn't a cure. And this will
shock you, the rise in the gay community is among gay black and bi-***ual
men. They call it the "down low". There are a multitude of issues there that
are too lengthy to discuss here. There have been a number of articles in the
press recent on the "down low". Did someone say GOOGLE?

Wizard of Draws" <jeffbREMOVE@REMOVEwizardofdraws.com> wrote in message
news:BCF3BDAF.130D1%jeffbREMOVE@REMOVEwizardofdraw s.com...
> On 6/14/04 11:56 AM, in article
> qUjzc.64644$Gx4.19673@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Seancito"
> <nada@nada****ada.net> wrote:
>
> > National Day of Mourning
> > Friday, June 11, 2004 - As the nation observes a day of mourning for
former
> > President Ronald Reagan, we at Gay Men's Health Crisis stand together
with
> > our brothers and sisters across the country to remember the thousands of
> > men, women and children who have died of AIDS because of the inaction
and
> > silence of his Administration. While our doors will remain open to
serve
> > our clients and provide the critical services on which they rely, we
look to
> > this day to remember those we have lost while reflecting on the work
that
> > remains to be done. On this day, we recommit ourselves to continue to
> > support people living with HIV, demand accountability from our leaders,
> > fight for a world without AIDS, and not permit the return of the silence
> > that resulted in so many deaths.
> > © 2004 Gay Men's Health Crisis
> >
> >
>
> Of the thousands that have died, is it safe to ***ume that they only
p***ed
> away during the Reagan administration? Were there not 4 years of President
> GHW Bush, followed by 8 years of clinton? Why do you only lay blame at the
> feet of one man?
>
> Further, after decades of HIV prevention awareness, why is this again a
> growing problem in the gay community? People that knowingly engage in
unsafe
> behavior, do not often elicit my sympathies when that behavior results in
> their p***ing. If the gay community wants to take my tax money to research
a
> cure, then the gay community has a responsibility to mitigate the spread
of
> HIV/AIDS.
>
> Perhaps you should reflect on prevention and recommit yourselves to
healthy
> lives?
> --
> Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
> Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
> www.wizardofdraws.com
> www.cartoonclipart.com
>

..anci..

Since unsafe *** is more fun for them, as they jump from
partner to partner in glory holes in bars on the water front.
Which no longer get raided by the cops due to it being PC to let
them have there fun.

I don't know where you live, but these places you mentioned have been closed
for years in NYC. We now have lovely waterfront family friendly recreational
areas and very expensive high rise apartments. The conditions you describe
existed in the late 1970's. Come visit, NYC is like Seattle now.
"Old Salt card carrying Curmudgeon" <oldsalt@spambusters.com> wrote in
message news:frssc05f5f4k4qulj9er94cats9e8v7lhe@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:40:15 -0400 the great cry-baby, Wizard of
> Draws gave a whiny-***ed opinion on, "Re: National Day of
> Mourning",
>
> >Further, after decades of HIV prevention awareness, why is this again a
> >growing problem in the gay community?
>
> Since unsafe *** is more fun for them, as they jump from
> partner to partner in glory holes in bars on the water front.
> Which no longer get raided by the cops due to it being PC to let
> them have there fun.
>
> What happen to days when you had a comunical desiess you
> were quarantined.
> --
> _______ _______________ ________ ___________
> __ __ \___ /______ / __ ___/______ ____ /__ /_
> _ / / /__ / _ __ / _____ \ _ __ `/__ / _ __/
> / /_/ / _ / / /_/ / ____/ / / /_/ / _ / / /_
> \____/ /_/ \__,_/ /____/ \__,_/ /_/ \__/
> I'd rather be right, than Politically Correct

..thr.. ..mps..

"Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net> wrote in message
news:rcuzc.67903$Gx4.8910@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> You need to update your information. Not all transmission is by a
conscious
> act. What about someone who is in a monogamous relationship, either gay or
> straight, who contracts the virus from their partner who is having ***
> outside of the relationship? It is a question of trust. Many women are
> infected this way. Especially in immigrant communities where the man is
> king. These women do not negotiate safer ***. If they do, they are at risk
> for domestic violence.

What a dodge. Very few transmissions of AIDS is by a conscious act.

Further, many many many people died of infections before Alexander Fleming
understood and tested the potential for penicillin. But how many blame him
for not making his discoveries sooner to save more lives? Your whole
premise is ignorant and misleading.

My younger brother died several years ago of complications of AIDS. He
acknowledged that he acquired it through actions of his own choosing
(promiscuity in both hetero and homo***ual relationships and IV drug use)
and several weeks before he died he expressed to me that he wished he had
made better choices. I wish he had too. That does not diminish my love for
him or condemn him for his choices, it is only stating facts.

My brother didn't duck his responsibility by blaming Ronald Reagan or anyone
else for not finding a cure sooner. He accepted that his decisions set out
a path for him that was of his own making. Sometimes we mere mortals forget
that when we choose a path, we also choose the place it leads to and we
often do not understand the ramifications of our choices until the
destination suddenly looms upon the horizon and it is too late to turn back.

My heart goes out to anyone who suffers from AIDs, no matter how they
contracted it. I admire anyone who faces such heartache and pain with
dignity. I especially admire people like my brother who do not choose to
blame others, but accept the hand they are dealt by the seemingly whimsical
combinations of fate and choice.


--
Regards of the NW,
Kathy

"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken
seriously". Hubert Humphrey

..anci..

I am sorry for your loss. I think you misread my post. I was responding to
someone who was basically identifying AIDS as a gay disease. I work in a
program foe women who are living with HIV/AIDS and some these women did not
set out to consciously contract HIV. They were not promiscuous, they were in
relationships. I don't know how old you are, but when AIDS broke out it
followed a huge epidemic of herpes in this country in the late 1970's. Truth
be told, that period was a time when a great many people were having
unprotected *** because there was no other such thing. AIDS changed all
that. This is why we need education for prevention. And it has to start on
some level in the schools, and just telling a kid to abstain isn't going to
cut it. They need to know the history of all of this. I never blamed Ronald
Reagan for AIDS. I only remarked that his Administration was slow to respond
to it, and this is the one failure of his Presidency. I happened to have
liked the guy. Nancy reminds me all the time of an Aunt of mine.
Another thing about HIV/AIDS is that it's a very individual disease. Not
everyone responds to treatment. There are different strains. There are
people surviving well into their second decade and beyond. Go figure. I like
to stay away from "coulda, woulda, shoulda" and focus on the present and the
now. I do have a problem with several of the posters who seem to think gay
people are up doing it every night like "rabbits". The reality is that gay
people are as individual as the next guy. All those couples getting married
on TV don't look like they go to the gym. There is an underlying thread in
these posts that those who died "got what they deserved". We seem to be
struggling to understand this disease. There is no blame. It is a virus.
Nobody should get it. We need a cure!
"Kathryn Simpson" <kjsimpson@REMOVETHISatt.net> wrote in message
news:ZCuzc.68033$Gx4.29943@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net> wrote in message
> news:rcuzc.67903$Gx4.8910@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > You need to update your information. Not all transmission is by a
> conscious
> > act. What about someone who is in a monogamous relationship, either gay
or
> > straight, who contracts the virus from their partner who is having ***
> > outside of the relationship? It is a question of trust. Many women are
> > infected this way. Especially in immigrant communities where the man is
> > king. These women do not negotiate safer ***. If they do, they are at
risk
> > for domestic violence.
>
> What a dodge. Very few transmissions of AIDS is by a conscious act.
>
> Further, many many many people died of infections before Alexander Fleming
> understood and tested the potential for penicillin. But how many blame
him
> for not making his discoveries sooner to save more lives? Your whole
> premise is ignorant and misleading.
>
> My younger brother died several years ago of complications of AIDS. He
> acknowledged that he acquired it through actions of his own choosing
> (promiscuity in both hetero and homo***ual relationships and IV drug use)
> and several weeks before he died he expressed to me that he wished he had
> made better choices. I wish he had too. That does not diminish my love
for
> him or condemn him for his choices, it is only stating facts.
>
> My brother didn't duck his responsibility by blaming Ronald Reagan or
anyone
> else for not finding a cure sooner. He accepted that his decisions set
out
> a path for him that was of his own making. Sometimes we mere mortals
forget
> that when we choose a path, we also choose the place it leads to and we
> often do not understand the ramifications of our choices until the
> destination suddenly looms upon the horizon and it is too late to turn
back.
>
> My heart goes out to anyone who suffers from AIDs, no matter how they
> contracted it. I admire anyone who faces such heartache and pain with
> dignity. I especially admire people like my brother who do not choose to
> blame others, but accept the hand they are dealt by the seemingly
whimsical
> combinations of fate and choice.
>
>
> --
> Regards of the NW,
> Kathy
>
> "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be
taken
> seriously". Hubert Humphrey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>