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National Day of Mourning
Friday, June 11, 2004 - As the nation observes a day of mourning for former
President Ronald Reagan, we at Gay Men's Health Crisis stand together with
our brothers and sisters across the country to remember the thousands of
men, women and children who have died of AIDS because of the inaction and
silence of his Administration. While our doors will remain open to serve
our clients and provide the critical services on which they rely, we look to
this day to remember those we have lost while reflecting on the work that
remains to be done. On this day, we recommit ourselves to continue to
support people living with HIV, demand accountability from our leaders,
fight for a world without AIDS, and not permit the return of the silence
that resulted in so many deaths.
© 2004 Gay Men's Health Crisis

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:56:06 GMT, "Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net>
wrote:

>National Day of Mourning
>Friday, June 11, 2004 - As the nation observes a day of mourning for former
>President Ronald Reagan, we at Gay Men's Health Crisis stand together with
>our brothers and sisters across the country to remember the thousands of
>men, women and children who have died of AIDS because of the inaction and
>silence of his Administration. While our doors will remain open to serve
>our clients and provide the critical services on which they rely, we look to
>this day to remember those we have lost while reflecting on the work that
>remains to be done. On this day, we recommit ourselves to continue to
>support people living with HIV, demand accountability from our leaders,
>fight for a world without AIDS, and not permit the return of the silence
>that resulted in so many deaths.
>© 2004 Gay Men's Health Crisis
>

You are wasting your time and hurting your effort by castigating
President Reagan. Get over it and move on with the really important
work that needs to be done in regards to HIV/AIDS.

You references to President Reagan leave you open (justified or not)
to being perceived as a whiner and not a doer. Nobody wants to help a
whiner.

Presidential administrations have often failed in the eyes of those
whose lives have been so terribly affected by HIV/AIDS and other
illnesses to take effective action. The trick isn't to complain
(particularly about past administrations) but to get the needed
support in today's world.

Go forth and spread the good word leaving behind the allegations of
past mis-deeds and bitterness.

--
cg

..anci..

Those who condemn history are forced to repeat it.
"cg" <cgrams007@{take-this-out}yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a3urc05293gt7rt1s5mqp0hgu05e3glejr@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:56:06 GMT, "Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net>
> wrote:
>
> >National Day of Mourning
> >Friday, June 11, 2004 - As the nation observes a day of mourning for
former
> >President Ronald Reagan, we at Gay Men's Health Crisis stand together
with
> >our brothers and sisters across the country to remember the thousands of
> >men, women and children who have died of AIDS because of the inaction and
> >silence of his Administration. While our doors will remain open to serve
> >our clients and provide the critical services on which they rely, we look
to
> >this day to remember those we have lost while reflecting on the work that
> >remains to be done. On this day, we recommit ourselves to continue to
> >support people living with HIV, demand accountability from our leaders,
> >fight for a world without AIDS, and not permit the return of the silence
> >that resulted in so many deaths.
> >© 2004 Gay Men's Health Crisis
> >
>
> You are wasting your time and hurting your effort by castigating
> President Reagan. Get over it and move on with the really important
> work that needs to be done in regards to HIV/AIDS.
>
> You references to President Reagan leave you open (justified or not)
> to being perceived as a whiner and not a doer. Nobody wants to help a
> whiner.
>
> Presidential administrations have often failed in the eyes of those
> whose lives have been so terribly affected by HIV/AIDS and other
> illnesses to take effective action. The trick isn't to complain
> (particularly about past administrations) but to get the needed
> support in today's world.
>
> Go forth and spread the good word leaving behind the allegations of
> past mis-deeds and bitterness.
>
> --
> cg

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"Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net> wrote in message
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> National Day of Mourning
> Friday, June 11, 2004 - As the nation observes a day of mourning for
former

<snip>

>demand accountability from our leaders,

After seeing this 3 times, I have to ask is there any intent to demand
accountability from those who voluntarily engage in conduct which enables
the spread of this disease or is that asking too much?

Duine

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On 6/14/04 11:56 AM, in article
qUjzc.64644$Gx4.19673@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Seancito"
<nada@nada****ada.net> wrote:

> National Day of Mourning
> Friday, June 11, 2004 - As the nation observes a day of mourning for former
> President Ronald Reagan, we at Gay Men's Health Crisis stand together with
> our brothers and sisters across the country to remember the thousands of
> men, women and children who have died of AIDS because of the inaction and
> silence of his Administration. While our doors will remain open to serve
> our clients and provide the critical services on which they rely, we look to
> this day to remember those we have lost while reflecting on the work that
> remains to be done. On this day, we recommit ourselves to continue to
> support people living with HIV, demand accountability from our leaders,
> fight for a world without AIDS, and not permit the return of the silence
> that resulted in so many deaths.
> © 2004 Gay Men's Health Crisis
>
>

Of the thousands that have died, is it safe to ***ume that they only p***ed
away during the Reagan administration? Were there not 4 years of President
GHW Bush, followed by 8 years of clinton? Why do you only lay blame at the
feet of one man?

Further, after decades of HIV prevention awareness, why is this again a
growing problem in the gay community? People that knowingly engage in unsafe
behavior, do not often elicit my sympathies when that behavior results in
their p***ing. If the gay community wants to take my tax money to research a
cure, then the gay community has a responsibility to mitigate the spread of
HIV/AIDS.

Perhaps you should reflect on prevention and recommit yourselves to healthy
lives?
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com

..wanaR..

In an effort to amuse and confuse me, Duine blurted out :

> "Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net> wrote in message
> news:qUjzc.64644$Gx4.19673@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>> demand accountability from our leaders,
>
> After seeing this 3 times, I have to ask is there any intent to demand
> accountability from those who voluntarily engage in conduct which
> enables the spread of this disease or is that asking too much?
>
> Duine

These jack***es that keep spouting this "lack of any action" BS are getting
tiresome (they're all over the place this past week). Facts always seem to
get in to way of idiots like this, so here's some of those things they fear
so much (facts that is):

~~~~

From http://www.nationalreview.com/murdoc...0312030913.asp :
"As I recall, from 1984 onward - and bear in mind that the AIDS virus was
not identified until 1982 - every Reagan budget contained a large sum of
money specifically earmarked for AIDS," says Peter Robinson, a former Reagan
speechwriter and author of How Ronald Reagan Changed My Life. "Now, people
will argue that it wasn't enough," Robinson adds. "But, of course, that's
the kind of argument that takes place over every item in the federal budget.
Nevertheless, the notion that he was somehow callous or had a cruel or
cynical attitude towards homo***uals or AIDS victims is just ridiculous."

In February 1986, President Reagan's blueprint for the next fiscal year
stated: "[T]his budget provides funds for maintaining - and in some cases
expanding - high priority programs in crucial areas of national
interest.including drug enforcement, AIDS research, the space program,
nonmilitary research and national security." Reagan's budget message added
that AIDS "remains the highest public health priority of the Department of
Health and Human Services."

Precise budget requests are difficult to calculate, as online records from
the 1980s are spotty. Nevertheless, New York University's archived, hard
copies of budget do***ents from fiscal year 1984 through FY 1989 show that
Reagan proposed at least $2.79 billion for AIDS research, education, and
treatment. In a Congressional Research Service study titled AIDS Funding for
Federal Government Programs: FY1981-FY1999, author Judith Johnson found that
overall, the federal government spent $5.727 billion on AIDS under Ronald
Reagan. This higher number reflects President Reagan's proposals as well as
additional expenditures approved by Congress that he later signed. "

~~~


If AIDS and the Flesh Eating virus were only discovered today, I think the
later would get more attention and funding for research, etc. It's obviously
the more scary of the two, on paper at least. Let's see - something that
eats you away from the outside in, and kills you in mere hours vs. something
that, although devastating in the long run, is comparatively easy to avoid
contracting and/or spreading *and* can be lived with to a degree. Yeah I'd
be a hell of a lot more scared of that flesh eating thing. Of course, in the
long run that would have turned out to be the wrong decision, but when a
disease is new, mostly unknown, and fairly uncommon, it's damn near
impossible to correctly dictate it's progression in the near future. Toss in
the very real threat of the Nuclear Arms Race and the very real threat of
the Cold War, and you try to guess which is more important at that time in
history, with the information that was known.

Is AIDS a serious threat? There's no argument there. Could more have been
done? Well duh, more can always have been done for ANY and EVERY issue in
retrospect, but these ***wipes that continue to say that nothing was done
and the Reagan was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of
people who contracted this disease because he did not provide funding for
research, etc. are really starting to get annoying.

The simple fact is the quickness that the disease spread and the number of
people infected in those early years was damn near impossible to guess due
to the social conditions of the time. Most gay people were not going to
expose themselves due to social persecution and the all too common ignorant
stereotypes at the time. Even straight people were afraid to admit that they
had the disease - or simply get tested - because of the fear of being
labeled as gay. It wasn't until Magic Johnson came out and said he was
infected that the general media even latched onto the seriousness of the
disease. Even after he came forward, people were still joking that they
didn't he was gay.

The fact is that we DO know how the disease is transmitted, and how to avoid
contracting it for the most part, there are way too many people insisting an
having unprotected ***, *** with anything that moves, sharing needles with
addicts, and the few [too many] sociopaths that willing try to infect others
through ***, drugs, or intentionally contaminating medical supplies (and I'm
sure the level of responsibility and maturity for the increasingly younger
age of ***ually active children is going to come into play more and more).
Yet those people are not responsible, Reagan is.

Typical morons.

Here's a concept that seems all too foreign these days - How about ***uming
a little *Personal Responsibility* for a friggin change folks. Stop ****ing
whining that someone else is responsible for your situation and your
inaction and do something about it!


/rant

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When you get your history right, you can confidently state something like
this. So far, you have not done so.


--
Hooda Gest
"In a New York minute, everything can change..."

"Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net> wrote in message
news:yUnzc.15403$Di3.2874@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Those who condemn history are forced to repeat it.
> "cg" <cgrams007@{take-this-out}yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a3urc05293gt7rt1s5mqp0hgu05e3glejr@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:56:06 GMT, "Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >National Day of Mourning
> > >Friday, June 11, 2004 - As the nation observes a day of mourning for
> former
> > >President Ronald Reagan, we at Gay Men's Health Crisis stand together
> with
> > >our brothers and sisters across the country to remember the thousands
of
> > >men, women and children who have died of AIDS because of the inaction
and
> > >silence of his Administration. While our doors will remain open to
serve
> > >our clients and provide the critical services on which they rely, we
look
> to
> > >this day to remember those we have lost while reflecting on the work
that
> > >remains to be done. On this day, we recommit ourselves to continue to
> > >support people living with HIV, demand accountability from our leaders,
> > >fight for a world without AIDS, and not permit the return of the
silence
> > >that resulted in so many deaths.
> > >© 2004 Gay Men's Health Crisis
> > >
> >
> > You are wasting your time and hurting your effort by castigating
> > President Reagan. Get over it and move on with the really important
> > work that needs to be done in regards to HIV/AIDS.
> >
> > You references to President Reagan leave you open (justified or not)
> > to being perceived as a whiner and not a doer. Nobody wants to help a
> > whiner.
> >
> > Presidential administrations have often failed in the eyes of those
> > whose lives have been so terribly affected by HIV/AIDS and other
> > illnesses to take effective action. The trick isn't to complain
> > (particularly about past administrations) but to get the needed
> > support in today's world.
> >
> > Go forth and spread the good word leaving behind the allegations of
> > past mis-deeds and bitterness.
> >
> > --
> > cg
>
>

..wanaR..

In an effort to amuse and confuse me, Seancito blurted out :

> Those who condemn history are forced to repeat it.

I'm guessing the irony of this statement is completely escaping you...


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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:29:18 GMT, "Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net>
wrote:

>Those who condemn history are forced to repeat it.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Condemnation is an entirely different matter. The manner in which you
used history, IMO, simply has no place in the message you seem so
dedicated to disseminating. I happen to feel you have far too
important a message to engage in petty slamming. Forgiveness would
fit much better.

As proof, I see that there are already two posts that you've directly
enabled by bringing up President Reagan's responsibility. Both of
them have more than a little validity.

The issue of responsibility goes far beyond President Reagan and you
have to know that. If you end up centering everyone's attention of
President Reagan you have already lost half the battle. People tune
you out or they see it as political enmity and tune out the entire
issue of AIDS/HIV prevention and care. That can't be what you want.

It sure as hell isn't what I want. For instance, I believe it makes a
great deal of sense to prosecute those who know they are infected with
HIV/AIDS yet continue to engage in ***ual activity that can p*** the
infection along. If that requires new law, so be it. This is not
your average ***ually communicated disease.

You may, or may not, agree with this but I'd suggest to you that a
debate over legal action is far more in line with what I think your
real goals are than some arcane exchange of words over something that
cannot be changed.

--
cg

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The referenced quote was a press release from the named organization.
"Hooda Gest" <Be@One_With.Calm> wrote in message
news:Geszc.67279$Gx4.41585@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> When you get your history right, you can confidently state something like
> this. So far, you have not done so.
>
>
> --
> Hooda Gest
> "In a New York minute, everything can change..."
>
> "Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net> wrote in message
> news:yUnzc.15403$Di3.2874@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Those who condemn history are forced to repeat it.
> > "cg" <cgrams007@{take-this-out}yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:a3urc05293gt7rt1s5mqp0hgu05e3glejr@4ax.com...
> > > On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:56:06 GMT, "Seancito" <nada@nada****ada.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >National Day of Mourning
> > > >Friday, June 11, 2004 - As the nation observes a day of mourning for
> > former
> > > >President Ronald Reagan, we at Gay Men's Health Crisis stand together
> > with
> > > >our brothers and sisters across the country to remember the thousands
> of
> > > >men, women and children who have died of AIDS because of the inaction
> and
> > > >silence of his Administration. While our doors will remain open to
> serve
> > > >our clients and provide the critical services on which they rely, we
> look
> > to
> > > >this day to remember those we have lost while reflecting on the work
> that
> > > >remains to be done. On this day, we recommit ourselves to continue to
> > > >support people living with HIV, demand accountability from our
leaders,
> > > >fight for a world without AIDS, and not permit the return of the
> silence
> > > >that resulted in so many deaths.
> > > >© 2004 Gay Men's Health Crisis
> > > >
> > >
> > > You are wasting your time and hurting your effort by castigating
> > > President Reagan. Get over it and move on with the really important
> > > work that needs to be done in regards to HIV/AIDS.
> > >
> > > You references to President Reagan leave you open (justified or not)
> > > to being perceived as a whiner and not a doer. Nobody wants to help a
> > > whiner.
> > >
> > > Presidential administrations have often failed in the eyes of those
> > > whose lives have been so terribly affected by HIV/AIDS and other
> > > illnesses to take effective action. The trick isn't to complain
> > > (particularly about past administrations) but to get the needed
> > > support in today's world.
> > >
> > > Go forth and spread the good word leaving behind the allegations of
> > > past mis-deeds and bitterness.
> > >
> > > --
> > > cg
> >
> >
>