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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...219918,00.html

Arrests over Mirror photo hoax

The Guardian, Wednesday May 19, 2004

Military police yesterday arrested a number of soldiers in connection with
the faked photographs of British soldiers supposedly torturing Iraqi
prisoners.

It is understood that up to four people are being questioned.

The Daily Mirror, which printed the photographs, denied it had given the
names of the soldiers to the military authorities. A Mirror source said:
"They haven't come from us."

The soldiers are the first people arrested in connection with the hoax.

The tabloid has come under increasing pressure to reveal the identities of
those behind the hoax, which led to the sacking of its editor, Piers
Morgan.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...238711,00.html

Soldiers face court martial over abuse claims

Press ***ociation, Monday June 14, 2004

Four British soldiers from the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers are to face a
court martial charged with abusing Iraqi prisoners, Attorney General Lord
Goldsmith announced today.

Charges against the four include ***ault, indecent ***ault which apparently
involves making the victims engage in ***ual activity between themselves,
and a military charge of prejudicing good order and military discipline,
said Lord Goldsmith.

The Attorney General said, in a written statement to peers, that the case
"concerns conduct alleged to have occurred while the civilians were being
temporarily detained, but not in a prison or detention facility".

He added: "It involves photographic evidence developed in this country and
referred to the UK police. A date for the trial has yet to be set by the
Military Court Service. Any trial will be held in public."

Lord Goldsmith said the Army Prosecuting Authority took the decision on
June 11 to send the case for trial. He added three further cases had been
referred to the APA and "they are actively being considered at the moment".

The Attorney General said the case involving the four soldiers from the
Royal Fusiliers had already been referred to in the press.

Lord Goldsmith said there were "at least four other cases" which were
likely to be referred to the APA in the near future.

That would make a total of eight cases referred to the prosecuting
authorities, who will then decide whether to proceed to trial, out of 75
allegations of ill treatment made to British authorities, said the Attorney
General.

A further case of the alleged unlawful killing of an Iraqi in the course of
an arrest has been referred to the Crown Prosecution Service, who have
asked the Metropolitan police to investigate - as previously announced.
Charges in the case had already been dismissed by the accused soldier's
commanding officer, meaning he could not be tried by court martial.

Lord Goldsmith stressed the APA operated independent of the military chain
of command and acted under his general supervision.


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On 14 Jun 2004 18:34:46 GMT, Tom Moore
<email_for_tom_knickers@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Attorney General Lord
>Goldsmith announced today.

I hope no one will take offense (offence) if I say using the
term "Lord" to refer to anyone seems a wee bit bizarre to me.

I wonder how I'd feel about the term if I were a religious
person?

Oh, I really must ponder on this.

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On 14 Jun 2004 18:34:46 GMT, Tom Moore <email_for_tom_knickers@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...219918,00.html
>
>Arrests over Mirror photo hoax
>
>The Guardian, Wednesday May 19, 2004
>
>Military police yesterday arrested a number of soldiers in connection with
>the faked photographs of British soldiers supposedly torturing Iraqi
>prisoners.
>
>It is understood that up to four people are being questioned.

The editors of the paper should be charged with aiding the enemy.
To bad it isn't the old days and they could be "transported"!

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"Tom Moore" <email_for_tom_knickers@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...219918,00.html
>
> Arrests over Mirror photo hoax
>
> The Guardian, Wednesday May 19, 2004
>
> Military police yesterday arrested a number of soldiers in connection with
> the faked photographs of British soldiers supposedly torturing Iraqi
> prisoners.

Interesting. First the claim was the acts were true and authenticated.
Now the photos are faked.
The men identified and charged with a court martial offense torturing
prisoners.
But if the photos are fake, then there was no torture and can therefor be no
court martial.
The one photo I saw did look a little hoakie to me.

After all, look at what all they did with "Forest Gump".
And the fact that tabloids have been faking photos for decades.
What else is new(s)?

Having seen the 6 photos, all I can say is, are you frickin nuts to believe
that ****?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/gall/0,8542,1208623,00.html

The whole damn thing is obviously staged. Every piece of clothing, including
the guy's stylish shorts, and even the bag over his head, is so damn spic
and span clean, it's a riot.
In these photos anyway, no faces are shown.
So as far as I can tell, some jack***es dressed themselves up in brand new
military like uniforms and tried to fake a torture scene. Only problem is,
they botched it so bad it's pathetic.

If you're torturing someone, the last thing you want, is perfectly clean
clothes with not even a speck of dirt on them, or around the immediate area.
If there was an award for the worst faked photo to appear in a newspaper,
these should get top honors.

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"Richard" <Anonymous@127.001> wrote :

> And the fact that tabloids have been faking
> photos for decades. What else is new(s)?

These fakes were telling the truth. Hence, revenge had to be extracted
from Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan, for exposing the British "holier
than thou" claim to be, what it always was, a lie.

The US admitted she had a problem. Daily Mirror editor received the usual
British response to a legitimate complaint, "you've made your point, now
shut-up."


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Just Judy <gopanth@invalid-addy.com> wrote :

> I wonder how I'd feel about the term
> if I were a religious person?

Lord knows.


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v>
> If you're torturing someone, the last thing you want, is perfectly clean
> clothes with not even a speck of dirt on them, or around the immediate area.
> If there was an award for the worst faked photo to appear in a newspaper,
> these should get top honors.

Perhaps, if you have been torturing people, you might release a set of
fake photos and later reveal them to be fakes in order to deflect
people from trhe truth.

Robert

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"Robert" <robertmlaws@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> v>
> > If you're torturing someone, the last thing you want, is perfectly clean
> > clothes with not even a speck of dirt on them, or around the immediate
area.
> > If there was an award for the worst faked photo to appear in a
newspaper,
> > these should get top honors.
>
> Perhaps, if you have been torturing people, you might release a set of
> fake photos and later reveal them to be fakes in order to deflect
> people from trhe truth.
>

Yes, and Elvis may still be alive and working at a K-Mart in a small suburb
of Tulsa, OK.


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"Hooda Gest" <Be@One_With.Calm> wrote in message
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> "Robert" <robertmlaws@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9bec984f.0406150017.50ef583d@posting.google.c om...
> > v>
> > > If you're torturing someone, the last thing you want, is perfectly
clean
> > > clothes with not even a speck of dirt on them, or around the immediate
> area.
> > > If there was an award for the worst faked photo to appear in a
> newspaper,
> > > these should get top honors.
> >
> > Perhaps, if you have been torturing people, you might release a set of
> > fake photos and later reveal them to be fakes in order to deflect
> > people from trhe truth.
> >
>
> Yes, and Elvis may still be alive and working at a K-Mart in a small
suburb
> of Tulsa, OK.

Yes, and Ronald Reagan might have been one of the greatest statesmen of the
20th Century and might be entitled to take the credit for dismantling
Communism in the Soviet Union. But that's rather more preposterous than
your one about Elvis.

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"Richard" <Anonymous@127.001> wrote in message
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> "Tom Moore" <email_for_tom_knickers@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Xns9508C720E21BEemailfortomknickersy@127.0.0. 1...
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...219918,00.html
> >
> > Arrests over Mirror photo hoax
> >
> > The Guardian, Wednesday May 19, 2004
> >
> > Military police yesterday arrested a number of soldiers in connection
with
> > the faked photographs of British soldiers supposedly torturing Iraqi
> > prisoners.
>
> Interesting. First the claim was the acts were true and authenticated.
> Now the photos are faked.
> The men identified and charged with a court martial offense torturing
> prisoners.
> But if the photos are fake, then there was no torture and can therefor be
no
> court martial.

Your logic has broken down there. If the photos are fake then they are not
evidence of the torture. If I produce photographs of Ian Huntley murdering
Holly Wells, and the photos are fake, that does not mean Ian Huntley is
innocent and should be released from prison.

We have not yet had a proper explanation from the Mirror - we do not yet
know whether the soldiers who came to them with the story had in fact served
in Iraq and what efforts were made to check their story. The Mirror has
rather shabbily apologised for the photographs but the story itself is left
hanging in the air, perhaps because it is sub judice.

We now know that many British soldiers are to be prosecuted for ***aulting
Iraqi detainees. The photographs are irrelevant. They are merely a
distraction. If you are distracted by them, it is really time for you to
move on from pictures to words when you read your newspaper.