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Bishop John Geoghan was accused of molesting over 100 kids in his time
He was convicted on one count - and was awaiting trial on more. The
court says there were over "100 additional credible accusers" that claim
they were also molested by him. He didn't last too long in gen-pop. I'll
bet there are some pedo-priests that are ****ting their frocks right
now. All I can say is "NEXT!".
The Pope needs to finally admit that when you force people to subvert
their biological drives - you wind up with deviant (usually negative)
behaviour, and just let priests get married. Or he can just die and be
replaced by another Pope more interested in reputation than justice -
and Catholicism can finally go the way of the dinosaur.
Queso

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>: El Queso

>
>Bishop John Geoghan was accused of molesting over 100 kids in his time
>He was convicted on one count - and was awaiting trial on more. The
>court says there were over "100 additional credible accusers" that claim
>they were also molested by him. He didn't last too long in gen-pop. I'll
>bet there are some pedo-priests that are ****ting their frocks right
>now. All I can say is "NEXT!".
> The Pope needs to finally admit that when you force people to subvert
>their biological drives - you wind up with deviant (usually negative)
>behaviour,

So the pope should condone rape?
I sure feel a "biological drive" when I go to the beech.

> and just let priests get married. Or he can just die and be
>replaced by another Pope more interested in reputation than justice -
>and Catholicism can finally go the way of the dinosaur.

Maybe they should just stop accepting fags as priests.
Gi

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El Queso wrote:

> The Pope needs to finally admit that when you force people to subvert
> their biological drives - you wind up with deviant (usually negative)
> behaviour, and just let priests get married. Or he can just die and be
> replaced by another Pope more interested in reputation than justice -
> and Catholicism can finally go the way of the dinosaur.
> Queso
>
I'm not a catholic, but I think it is quite fine for catholic priests to
be celibate.
For those not capable of this... they should leave, or not join, whatever.
If they'd have not fallen prey to the anything goes **** of the last 50 yr.
Alfred kinsey was the proponent, and progenitor of this.
A user of pedophile data for his research, and an impotent sado
masochist, if what I've read is accurate.

But priests who can't accept that they have no physical-***ual
relationship with their parishoners simply ought not to be priests.
I've met some interesting and very decent priests, not all that many,
I'm not christian, but I feel sorry for them - the really decent and
devoted folks, for all this, just as I do feel sad for the molested from
those not protected from this scourge of the modern times
I'm sure it existed previously but I bet it was much less before the
last 50 yrs- with all this deterioration in the social structure.

It worked quite well for a very very long time- and I think they should
go about cleaning out all the hyper***uality and the deviancy that's
been tolerated
and then get back to basics.

The buddhists I knew had sects where some monks would marry and some
wouldn't. But if you didn't marry, and this was because you were
celibate, it meant you were celibate.

And they looked dammed happy, and fulfilled as human beings- way more
than you or I queso, so my experience, on a personal level with celibates
was that they spoke well for their lives, and were a success.

Mark

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BillMahoney68 wrote:
>>: El Queso
>
>
>>Bishop John Geoghan was accused of molesting over 100 kids in his time
>>He was convicted on one count - and was awaiting trial on more. The
>>court says there were over "100 additional credible accusers" that claim
>>they were also molested by him. He didn't last too long in gen-pop. I'll
>>bet there are some pedo-priests that are ****ting their frocks right
>>now. All I can say is "NEXT!".
>> The Pope needs to finally admit that when you force people to subvert
>>their biological drives - you wind up with deviant (usually negative)
>>behaviour,
>
>
> So the pope should condone rape?

No, I mean that when the normal ***ual impusle is thwarted by your job
IE - you can't have *** or get married, or even jerk it - that ***ual
energy is probably going to find an alternative outlet. Unfortunately
more kids get buggered than liver-in-a-jar prolly gets ****ed. I say let
them either marry or **********.

> I sure feel a "biological drive" when I go to the beech.

And if you go home and jerk it - biological drive fulfilled. It might
not be the ego boost of bringing bikini-bunny home, but it beats prayer.
Often as not, faith and morality weaken as the balls become more blue.

>
>
>>and just let priests get married. Or he can just die and be
>>replaced by another Pope more interested in reputation than justice -
>>and Catholicism can finally go the way of the dinosaur.
>
>
> Maybe they should just stop accepting fags as priests.

If they don't let them **** - the same thing'll happen. I can see the
banners "Let the gay priests **** - FOR THE CHILDREN'S SAKE!"
Queso

> Gi

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Mark Goldberg wrote:
> El Queso wrote:
>
>> ... and Catholicism can finally go the way of the dinosaur.
>> Queso
>>
> again, I'm not catholic, nor christian, but I'm no fan of throwing out
> all that they've learned, all the good that came out of that
> very difficult learning process.

We already have all the good. Now we have morals and relics. The relics
have very little morailty, so ditch the relics and keep the morality. No
more pointy hats and silly ceremonies. It's all ceremony for ceremony's
sake. People are more easily persuaded to ditch this with fighting than
with religion.

>
> I do not disdain their faith,

Nor do I.

> nor their practice.

I respect anyone's right to practice what they believe. That being said
- I hold all dogma-based religions or religionists in a bit of disdain.

> They are human. And they have done some very good work too. Amongst
> that which can be criticized.

I believe that the modern Catholic church as an entity is done producing
value for humanity, and all the value that comes from Catholicism comes
from the good individuals that make up the belief, NOT the people who
guide those believers.

>
> Modern people like to think of simple solutions for everything...

Actually, I'm not offering any type of solution - just predicting the
end of Catholicism as a dominant world religion.

but
> thousands of years of history shows that
> that which lasts has something to offer and something which is of value,
> not always, but certainly I think in this case.

War, pain, hunger, suffering, tyranny, injustice - these have all been
with us since the birth of man - I don't care much for any of them.

>
> Hey, can't you disdainful fallen catholics give them a chance??

Not if they are pedophiles. A lapsed Catholic is just another normal guy
in my book. Usually just someone who got sick of silly ceremonies in a
dead language. I was never Catholic myself, so this isn't some vendetta
or anything.
Queso

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> Mark
>

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El Queso wrote:

> Mark Goldberg wrote:
>
> We already have all the good. Now we have morals and relics. The
> relics have very little morailty, so ditch the relics and keep the
> morality. No more pointy hats and silly ceremonies. It's all ceremony
> for ceremony's sake. People are more easily persuaded to ditch this
> with fighting than with religion.

We... have all the good???
We have an obligation to recreate the good, and relive the tale, and
create it all over again.
You are making a value judgement that throws a couple thousand years
down the toilet.
Think of it this way.... you have every right to be bemused by pomp and
cir***stance, and flotsam and jetsum.
You have every right to stand around at all these ceremonies the meaning
and wt of which you have no interet in or maybe knowledge of, or
whatever, and you have every right to stand around and watch it like it
was a parade.
and you have the right to look a bit wry and bemuse and disbelieving...
and look for the pretzel guy and the softdrink vendor, to quench a
parched throat.
But you have no right to throw it all in the toilet, just because you
have no feeling for it.
You wanna kill things???
Take responsibility for all that it entails, not just your modern cynicism.

>
>
> I respect anyone's right to practice what they believe. That being
> said - I hold all dogma-based religions or religionists in a bit of
> disdain.

You have every right to indulge that feeling.

>
>
>> They are human. And they have done some very good work too. Amongst
>> that which can be criticized.
>
>
> I believe that the modern Catholic church as an entity is done
> producing value for humanity, and all the value that comes from
> Catholicism comes from the good individuals that make up the belief,
> NOT the people who guide those believers.

And I do not.

>
>
>>
>> Modern people like to think of simple solutions for everything...
>
>
> Actually, I'm not offering any type of solution - just predicting the
> end of Catholicism as a dominant world religion.

Well... we'll see about that, won't we :^)

>
> but
>
>> thousands of years of history shows that
>> that which lasts has something to offer and something which is of
>> value, not always, but certainly I think in this case.
>
>
> War, pain, hunger, suffering, tyranny, injustice - these have all been
> with us since the birth of man - I don't care much for any of them.

Comp***ion, kindness, caring, manliness, nurturing, forgiveness, force,
humor, hell... there's all kinds of lists

>
>
>>
>> Hey, can't you disdainful fallen catholics give them a chance??
>
>
> Not if they are pedophiles. A lapsed Catholic is just another normal
> guy in my book. Usually just someone who got sick of silly ceremonies
> in a dead language. I was never Catholic myself, so this isn't some
> vendetta or anything.

Nor I, for the pedophiles.
On that we agree.
But someone who ****s children, is not a 'lapsed' catholic; he's a
hideous criminal.
And you are probably describing yourself, no? as far as your feeling for
ceremonies and latin are concerned- even if your not a catholic.

>
>>
>> Mark
>

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Mark Goldberg wrote:
> El Queso wrote:
>
>> BillMahoney68 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So the pope should condone rape?
>>
>>
>>
>> No, I mean that when the normal ***ual impusle is thwarted by your job
>> IE - you can't have *** or get married, or even jerk it - that ***ual
>> energy is probably going to find an alternative outlet. Unfortunately
>> more kids get buggered than liver-in-a-jar prolly gets ****ed. I say
>> let them either marry or **********.
>
>
> Well your supposition is just that... your own liver in a jelly jar
> experiences.

It was a supposition.

> Which doesn't explain it's success over the centuries
>
>>
>> And if you go home and jerk it - biological drive fulfilled. It might
>> not be the ego boost of bringing bikini-bunny home, but it beats
>> prayer. Often as not, faith and morality weaken as the balls become
>> more blue.
>
>
> Well... your a universal philosopher... for MTV

Actually - that is the condensed idea of Wilhelm Reich.

>
>>
>> If they don't let them **** - the same thing'll happen. I can see the
>> banners "Let the gay priests **** - FOR THE CHILDREN'S SAKE!"
>> Queso
>
>
> Says you... I've known celibate religious people, and of course, you
> have no clue about that.

I have never said they didn't exist, did I? There is no need to use
strawman tactics here.

> If I tell you they were successful at it... take it as observation that
> they had obtained something that you and I hadn't and it spoke well for
> them.

A Trekkie obtains something I haven't, as does a go go dancer.

> And I'm a skeptical realist in many ways. I don't think celibacy is for
> most people at all.

I don't think it is for many of the people who try to practice it, but
fail and turn weird.

> But those prepared to do it, and for good reasons, and such.... they can
> do very well by it.

I have never said otherwise. I have never thought otherwise. My main
point is that when it becomes a matter of acceptance to a group - much
of the freedom of the choice is removed - thereby increasing the amount
of people who are not ready, but will say they are.
Queso

>
> Mark
>

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El Queso <the_cheese_23@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Pope needs to finally admit that when you force people to subvert
>their biological drives - you wind up with deviant (usually negative)
>behaviour, and just let priests get married. Or he can just die and be

This doesn't make sense, unless you think that priests
think that having illicit *** with children is a more
natural outlet for their biological drives than having
illicit *** with adult women. I really don't believe that
they're doing this because they aren't allowed to marry.


--
Rob. http://www.mis.coventry.ac.uk/~mtx014/

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"El Queso" <""the_cheese_23\"@(nospam)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:VFR1b.4870$n94.243@fed1read04...
> Bishop John Geoghan was accused of molesting over 100 kids in his time
> He was convicted on one count - and was awaiting trial on more. The
> court says there were over "100 additional credible accusers" that claim
> they were also molested by him. He didn't last too long in gen-pop. I'll
> bet there are some pedo-priests that are ****ting their frocks right
> now. All I can say is "NEXT!".
> The Pope needs to finally admit that when you force people to subvert
> their biological drives - you wind up with deviant (usually negative)
> behaviour, and just let priests get married. Or he can just die and be
> replaced by another Pope more interested in reputation than justice -
> and Catholicism can finally go the way of the dinosaur.
> Queso

Speaking as a Catholic, I'm not in favor of letting priests get married.
With fewer priests to go around these days , it might alleviate the
shortage. Also, the newer priests seem to lack a...ah...masculinity that
they once had. The best tough-nut football coach I ever had was a priest,
MHRIP. I miss those guys. Maybe allowing priests to marry might attack that
kind of guy again to the priesthood.

Now for your believing that it's the celibate LIFE STYLE that causes ***ual
dysfunction; question, is it true or just some ***umption of yours?

I'll put the question this way: Does the celibate life create pedophiles or
are pedophiles attracted to the lifestyle?

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal...7.html?sect=19
a.. He has systematic and prolonged access to children. Pedophiles, because
of the wide age disparity between themselves and their victims, cannot just
hang around children. The pedophile has to find a way to legitimize his
contact with kids. He usually accomplishes this by obtaining employment in a
field where he is forced to deal with children on a daily basis. Jobs like
schoolteachers, bus drivers, camp counselors, photographers and sports
coaching(14) serve their needs perfectly. They will always volunteer for
activities in which they are left alone with children with no parental
supervision (Lanning, p. 19).

In short, dude, pedophiles pick jobs/hobbies (mall Santas are another) that
put them in contact with children and will also gain trust with the parents.
What better than being a priest? Although, that has now changed. I predict
fewer pedophiles will choose the priesthood in the future due to the
stigmatism. Also, pedophiles tend to be more religious than average, again
that made the priesthood a attractive career.

But the Church's bishops screwed up by believing in the 1970's pop psy BS
that peds can be counseled and reformed. Wrong, and then covered it up.

Scott

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"Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote in message news:3f48e98e_1@news.wcc.net...
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> "El Queso" <""the_cheese_23\"@(nospam)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:VFR1b.4870$n94.243@fed1read04...
> > Bishop John Geoghan was accused of molesting over 100 kids in his time
> > He was convicted on one count - and was awaiting trial on more. The
> > court says there were over "100 additional credible accusers" that claim
> > they were also molested by him. He didn't last too long in gen-pop. I'll
> > bet there are some pedo-priests that are ****ting their frocks right
> > now. All I can say is "NEXT!".
> > The Pope needs to finally admit that when you force people to subvert
> > their biological drives - you wind up with deviant (usually negative)
> > behaviour, and just let priests get married. Or he can just die and be
> > replaced by another Pope more interested in reputation than justice -
> > and Catholicism can finally go the way of the dinosaur.
> > Queso
>
> Speaking as a Catholic, I'm not in favor of letting priests get married.

Correction: I am in favor