02-12-2008
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Re: Consider buying American!
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/ > > GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest > ever annual loss for a US automaker. > > The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support > they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American > car. > > Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports > Annual Auto Issue: > > Buick Lacrosse > Buick Lucerne > Cadillac CTS > Cadillac CTS-V > Cadillac DTS > Chevrolet HHR > Chevrolet Impala > Chevrolet Malibu > Chevrolet Tahoe > Chrysler 300 > Chrysler PT Cruiser > Dodge Durango > Ford Five Hundred > Ford Focus > Ford Freestyle > Ford Fusion > GMC Yukon > Jeep Liberty > Lincoln MKZ > Lincoln Town Car > Mercury Milan > Mercury Montego > Pontiac G6 > Pontiac Torrent What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America? What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico? Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather than the other way around? Jeff |
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02-12-2008
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Re: Consider buying American!
> buydomestic@usa.com wrote: >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/ >> >> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest >> ever annual loss for a US automaker. >> >> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support >> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American >> car. >> >> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports >> Annual Auto Issue: >> >> Buick Lacrosse >> Buick Lucerne >> Cadillac CTS >> Cadillac CTS-V >> Cadillac DTS >> Chevrolet HHR >> Chevrolet Impala >> Chevrolet Malibu >> Chevrolet Tahoe >> Chrysler 300 >> Chrysler PT Cruiser >> Dodge Durango >> Ford Five Hundred >> Ford Focus >> Ford Freestyle >> Ford Fusion >> GMC Yukon >> Jeep Liberty >> Lincoln MKZ >> Lincoln Town Car >> Mercury Milan >> Mercury Montego >> Pontiac G6 >> Pontiac Torrent > > What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America? > > What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico? > > Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather than > the other way around? > > Jeff er, leaving quality issues to one side, what percentage of these "domestic" vehicles are made here? the "big three" all source a significant proportion of componentry from china. a lot of ***embly is done in mexico. honda and toyota both source and ***emble here. |
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02-12-2008
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Re: Consider buying American!
> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> buydomes...@usa.com wrote: >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/ >>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest >>> ever annual loss for a US automaker. >>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support >>> they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American >>> car. >>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports >>> Annual Auto Issue: >>> Buick Lacrosse >>> Buick Lucerne >>> Cadillac CTS >>> Cadillac CTS-V >>> Cadillac DTS >>> Chevrolet HHR >>> Chevrolet Impala >>> Chevrolet Malibu >>> Chevrolet Tahoe >>> Chrysler 300 >>> Chrysler PT Cruiser >>> Dodge Durango >>> Ford Five Hundred >>> Ford Focus >>> Ford Freestyle >>> Ford Fusion >>> GMC Yukon >>> Jeep Liberty >>> Lincoln MKZ >>> Lincoln Town Car >>> Mercury Milan >>> Mercury Montego >>> Pontiac G6 >>> Pontiac Torrent >> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America? > > Toyota and Honda ***emble cars all over the world, but the profits go > back to Japan. how much tax do the big three pay here vs. the japanese? |
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02-12-2008
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Re: Consider buying American!
jim beam wrote:
> buydomestic@usa.com wrote: >> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> buydomes...@usa.com wrote: >>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/ >>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest >>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker. >>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support >>>> they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American >>>> car. >>>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports >>>> Annual Auto Issue: >>>> Buick Lacrosse >>>> Buick Lucerne >>>> Cadillac CTS >>>> Cadillac CTS-V >>>> Cadillac DTS >>>> Chevrolet HHR >>>> Chevrolet Impala >>>> Chevrolet Malibu >>>> Chevrolet Tahoe >>>> Chrysler 300 >>>> Chrysler PT Cruiser >>>> Dodge Durango >>>> Ford Five Hundred >>>> Ford Focus >>>> Ford Freestyle >>>> Ford Fusion >>>> GMC Yukon >>>> Jeep Liberty >>>> Lincoln MKZ >>>> Lincoln Town Car >>>> Mercury Milan >>>> Mercury Montego >>>> Pontiac G6 >>>> Pontiac Torrent >>> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America? >> >> Toyota and Honda ***emble cars all over the world, but the profits go >> back to Japan. > > how much tax do the big three pay here vs. the japanese? and how many americans do they employ? |
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02-12-2008
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Re: Consider buying American!
buydomestic@usa.com wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> buydomes...@usa.com wrote: >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/ >>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest >>> ever annual loss for a US automaker. >>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support >>> they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American >>> car. >>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports >>> Annual Auto Issue: >>> Buick Lacrosse >>> Buick Lucerne >>> Cadillac CTS >>> Cadillac CTS-V >>> Cadillac DTS >>> Chevrolet HHR >>> Chevrolet Impala >>> Chevrolet Malibu >>> Chevrolet Tahoe >>> Chrysler 300 >>> Chrysler PT Cruiser >>> Dodge Durango >>> Ford Five Hundred >>> Ford Focus >>> Ford Freestyle >>> Ford Fusion >>> GMC Yukon >>> Jeep Liberty >>> Lincoln MKZ >>> Lincoln Town Car >>> Mercury Milan >>> Mercury Montego >>> Pontiac G6 >>> Pontiac Torrent >> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America? > > Toyota and Honda ***emble cars all over the world, but the profits go > back to Japan. And some of those profits come back to the US. Plus, Toyota and Honda pay US income taxes and employ US workers. The Michigan 3 need to make themselves relevant to use, not the other way around. Jeff |
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02-12-2008
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Re: Consider buying American!
jim beam wrote:
> Jeff wrote: >> buydomestic@usa.com wrote: >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/ >>> >>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest >>> ever annual loss for a US automaker. >>> >>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support >>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American >>> car. >>> >>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports >>> Annual Auto Issue: >>> >>> Buick Lacrosse >>> Buick Lucerne >>> Cadillac CTS >>> Cadillac CTS-V >>> Cadillac DTS >>> Chevrolet HHR >>> Chevrolet Impala >>> Chevrolet Malibu >>> Chevrolet Tahoe >>> Chrysler 300 >>> Chrysler PT Cruiser >>> Dodge Durango >>> Ford Five Hundred >>> Ford Focus >>> Ford Freestyle >>> Ford Fusion >>> GMC Yukon >>> Jeep Liberty >>> Lincoln MKZ >>> Lincoln Town Car >>> Mercury Milan >>> Mercury Montego >>> Pontiac G6 >>> Pontiac Torrent >> >> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America? >> >> What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico? >> >> Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather >> than the other way around? >> >> Jeff > > er, leaving quality issues to one side, what percentage of these > "domestic" vehicles are made here? About 70 to 80% of the parts that go into the Michigan 3 cars come from the US or Canada. For Hondas and Toyotas, the numbers of similar, but only for the cars they make in the US. > the "big three" all source a > significant proportion of componentry from china. a lot of ***embly is > done in mexico. honda and toyota both source and ***emble here. Still, a higher proportion of the parts that go into US cars and trucks made by the Michigan 3 are made in the US or Canada compared to the foreign car makers. Toyota has plants in Mexico, as well. |
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02-12-2008
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Re: Consider buying American!
jim beam wrote:
> jim beam wrote: >> buydomestic@usa.com wrote: >>> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> buydomes...@usa.com wrote: >>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/ >>>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest >>>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker. >>>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support >>>>> they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American >>>>> car. >>>>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports >>>>> Annual Auto Issue: >>>>> Buick Lacrosse >>>>> Buick Lucerne >>>>> Cadillac CTS >>>>> Cadillac CTS-V >>>>> Cadillac DTS >>>>> Chevrolet HHR >>>>> Chevrolet Impala >>>>> Chevrolet Malibu >>>>> Chevrolet Tahoe >>>>> Chrysler 300 >>>>> Chrysler PT Cruiser >>>>> Dodge Durango >>>>> Ford Five Hundred >>>>> Ford Focus >>>>> Ford Freestyle >>>>> Ford Fusion >>>>> GMC Yukon >>>>> Jeep Liberty >>>>> Lincoln MKZ >>>>> Lincoln Town Car >>>>> Mercury Milan >>>>> Mercury Montego >>>>> Pontiac G6 >>>>> Pontiac Torrent >>>> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America? >>> >>> Toyota and Honda ***emble cars all over the world, but the profits go >>> back to Japan. >> >> how much tax do the big three pay here vs. the japanese? > > and how many americans do they employ? The Japanese subsidies of Toyota and Honda pay corporate income tax to states and the federal gov't as well as local property and other taxes. How much in taxes they pay is not known. Neither the auto companies nor the government bodies release the tax information. You're welcome to search the internet or the even the Toyota and Honda websites to find out how many people they employ. Jeff |
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02-12-2008
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Re: Consider buying American!
Jeff wrote:
> jim beam wrote: <snip> >>> how much tax do the big three pay here vs. the japanese? >> >> and how many americans do they employ? > > The Japanese subsidies of Toyota and Honda pay corporate income tax to > states and the federal gov't as well as local property and other taxes. > How much in taxes they pay is not known. Neither the auto companies nor > the government bodies release the tax information. > > You're welcome to search the internet or the even the Toyota and Honda > websites to find out how many people they employ. If you're interested, I'd start with the Investor Relations site for the various companies. |
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02-12-2008
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Re: Consider buying American!
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:41:31 GMT, Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
wrote: >buydomestic@usa.com wrote: >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/ >> >> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest >> ever annual loss for a US automaker. >> >> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support >> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American >> car. >> Snipped >What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America? > >What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico? > >Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather than >the other way around? > >Jeff You are right Jeff. There are no American Car companies anymore. The only difference between "American" and "Japanese" companies is where they are incorporated. American cars are ***embled in the USA, Mexico or Canada with parts made all over the world. The same holds true with Toyota and Honda. Jack |
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02-12-2008
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Re: Consider buying American!
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:fmhsj.6463$Wr4.5418@trnddc05... > buydomestic@usa.com wrote: >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/ >> >> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest >> ever annual loss for a US automaker. >> >> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support >> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American >> car. >> >> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports >> Annual Auto Issue: >> >> Buick Lacrosse >> Buick Lucerne >> Cadillac CTS >> Cadillac CTS-V >> Cadillac DTS >> Chevrolet HHR >> Chevrolet Impala >> Chevrolet Malibu >> Chevrolet Tahoe >> Chrysler 300 >> Chrysler PT Cruiser >> Dodge Durango >> Ford Five Hundred >> Ford Focus >> Ford Freestyle >> Ford Fusion >> GMC Yukon >> Jeep Liberty >> Lincoln MKZ >> Lincoln Town Car >> Mercury Milan >> Mercury Montego >> Pontiac G6 >> Pontiac Torrent > > What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America? > > What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico? > > Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather than > the other way around? > > Jeff Where do the profits go? The profits for Japanese manufacturers, no matter where the car is built, go to Japan. It sucks revenue out of our economy. |
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