Various Topics on Mercedes-Benz

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bi241@scn.org wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:37 am, buydomes...@usa.com wrote:
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>
>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>
>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>> car.
>>
>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>> Annual Auto Issue:
>>
>> Buick Lacrosse
>> Buick Lucerne
>> Cadillac CTS
>> Cadillac CTS-V
>> Cadillac DTS
>> Chevrolet HHR
>> Chevrolet Impala
>> Chevrolet Malibu
>> Chevrolet Tahoe
>> Chrysler 300
>> Chrysler PT Cruiser
>> Dodge Durango
>> Ford Five Hundred
>> Ford Focus
>> Ford Freestyle
>> Ford Fusion
>> GMC Yukon
>> Jeep Liberty
>> Lincoln MKZ
>> Lincoln Town Car
>> Mercury Milan
>> Mercury Montego
>> Pontiac G6
>> Pontiac Torrent
>
> Name a GM, Ford, or Chrysler model from years ago that has an imprint
> on you. Where is it now? Is still being produced? Does it still retain
> its unique characters somehow? I can only think of Chevy Corvette, but
> it's just an expensive toy and has no practical use. Besides, i'd
> rather buy a Honda NSX if i want to have some fun and have money to
> burn..
>
> And i can never get over the nightmare i used to endure, also known as
> a 1984 Buick Century. A f*cking pain in the *** piece of sh*t
>
> The truth is that the "Big Three" have no integrity, no characters and
> had not produced anything good enough to hold on to. Why would you
> hold on to them?
>
>
>
>
>
You can buy detroit iron and pay for present and past autoworkers high
pay, pension and health care, or you can buy "import" and be able to
pay for your own health care and provide for your own pension. Same as
shopping at wal-mart.

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Moe wrote:
<...>
> You can buy detroit iron and pay for present and past autoworkers high
> pay, pension and health care, or you can buy "import" and be able to
> pay for your own health care and provide for your own pension. Same as
> shopping at wal-mart.

Shopping at Wal-Mart is a different story. Wal-Mart has some really bad
employee practices, like not paying workers when they work through their
breaks and a history of locking in workers at night. They are very
anti-union as well.

Wal-Mart does predatory pricing on the things they buy. This forces the
suppliers to cut costs drastically. And on some products, the quality
really suffers. Plus, the only way some makers can make the products at
the prices that Wal-Mart demands is to send work out of the country.

I don't shop there.

Jeff

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In article <2vCsj.169$sh.40@trnddc07>, Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Moe wrote:
> <...>
> > You can buy detroit iron and pay for present and past autoworkers high
> > pay, pension and health care, or you can buy "import" and be able to
> > pay for your own health care and provide for your own pension. Same as
> > shopping at wal-mart.
>
> Shopping at Wal-Mart is a different story. Wal-Mart has some really bad
> employee practices, like not paying workers when they work through their
> breaks and a history of locking in workers at night. They are very
> anti-union as well.
>
> Wal-Mart does predatory pricing on the things they buy. This forces the
> suppliers to cut costs drastically. And on some products, the quality
> really suffers. Plus, the only way some makers can make the products at
> the prices that Wal-Mart demands is to send work out of the country.
>
> I don't shop there.
>
> Jeff

Hey, Jeff:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...nG=Search+News

"GM lost $US722 million in the December quarter and a record $US38.7
billion for 2007"

Tell us again the bedtime story about how GM was the only automaker
whose sales improved last month.

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In article <elmop-9328E5.09063413022008@nntp1.usenetserver.com>,
Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> Hey, Jeff:

> http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...nG=Search+News

> "GM lost $US722 million in the December quarter and a record $US38.7
> billion for 2007"

> Tell us again the bedtime story about how GM was the only automaker
> whose sales improved last month.

Nothing unusual about improved sales *and* reduced profits.

--
*Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In article <4f7083c1ffdave@davenoise.co.uk>,
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> > "GM lost $US722 million in the December quarter and a record $US38.7
> > billion for 2007"
>
> > Tell us again the bedtime story about how GM was the only automaker
> > whose sales improved last month.
>
> Nothing unusual about improved sales *and* reduced profits.

No, nothing at all.

But in Jeff's world, the improved sales last month means GM is the
leader in automakers.

..o.. ..rs..

Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...nG=Search+News
>
>"GM lost $US722 million in the December quarter and a record $US38.7
>billion for 2007"
>
>Tell us again the bedtime story about how GM was the only automaker
>whose sales improved last month.

Much as I hate GM, I have to say that GM has actually made money selling
cars. Most of the money they have been losing hand over fist has been in
their finance division. Of course, you can't sell cars if you can't finance
them, these days....
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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Jeff wrote:
> Moe wrote:
> <...>
>> You can buy detroit iron and pay for present and past autoworkers high
>> pay, pension and health care, or you can buy "import" and be able to
>> pay for your own health care and provide for your own pension. Same
>> as shopping at wal-mart.
>
> Shopping at Wal-Mart is a different story. Wal-Mart has some really bad
> employee practices, like not paying workers when they work through their
> breaks and a history of locking in workers at night. They are very
> anti-union as well.
>
> Wal-Mart does predatory pricing on the things they buy. This forces the
> suppliers to cut costs drastically. And on some products, the quality
> really suffers. Plus, the only way some makers can make the products at
> the prices that Wal-Mart demands is to send work out of the country.
>
> I don't shop there.

Same here, once I learned of their Draconian policies toward their
workers I won't shop there for anything.

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:16:36 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>> "GM lost $US722 million in the December quarter and a record $US38.7
>> billion for 2007"
>
>> Tell us again the bedtime story about how GM was the only automaker
>> whose sales improved last month.
>
>Nothing unusual about improved sales *and* reduced profits.

Sure we lose money on every car. But we make it up in volume!

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <2vCsj.169$sh.40@trnddc07>, Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Moe wrote:
>> <...>
>>> You can buy detroit iron and pay for present and past autoworkers high
>>> pay, pension and health care, or you can buy "import" and be able to
>>> pay for your own health care and provide for your own pension. Same as
>>> shopping at wal-mart.
>> Shopping at Wal-Mart is a different story. Wal-Mart has some really bad
>> employee practices, like not paying workers when they work through their
>> breaks and a history of locking in workers at night. They are very
>> anti-union as well.
>>
>> Wal-Mart does predatory pricing on the things they buy. This forces the
>> suppliers to cut costs drastically. And on some products, the quality
>> really suffers. Plus, the only way some makers can make the products at
>> the prices that Wal-Mart demands is to send work out of the country.
>>
>> I don't shop there.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Hey, Jeff:
>
> http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...nG=Search+News
>
> "GM lost $US722 million in the December quarter and a record $US38.7
> billion for 2007"
>
> Tell us again the bedtime story about how GM was the only automaker
> whose sales improved last month.

<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/02/business/02auto.html?_r=1&ref=business&oref=slogin>

You can read it yourself.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <4f7083c1ffdave@davenoise.co.uk>,
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> "GM lost $US722 million in the December quarter and a record $US38.7
>>> billion for 2007"
>>> Tell us again the bedtime story about how GM was the only automaker
>>> whose sales improved last month.
>> Nothing unusual about improved sales *and* reduced profits.
>
> No, nothing at all.
>
> But in Jeff's world, the improved sales last month means GM is the
> leader in automakers.

No it doesn't. It means that GM makes at least some vehicles that people
like. Or offers better incentives.

Jeff