Various Topics on Olympics

..ublespeakea..

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...nm/olympics_dc

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/judo/new...yhoo&type=lgns


i think the iranian judo guy is an idiot. i mean put the damn politics
aside.

however, i think arguments raised against him are rather disingenuous.

some say he's a 'racist' or 'antisemite', a 'jewhater'.

but, could't one argue that he thinks of israelis as the oppressors,
the 'racists'?
i'm not personally making this argument but this argument has some
validity, at least from the perspective from a muslim.

south africa was banned from the olympics because of its racial
policies.
couldn't one argue that israel denies human rights and equality to
palestinians?
that israel is a nation that should be banned from the competition?

suppose south africa had not been banned from the olympics. if a black
african or american black refused to compete against a white south
african, is that necessarily an expression of bigotry? couldn't it be
construed as anti-bigotry?

suppose jews had boycotted the berlin olympics of 1936. would that
have been shameful for the jews?

and, we boycotted the 1980 olympics because of communist barbarism in
afghanistan and russians paid us back by boycotting the 84 olympics in
LA.

and we don't give olympic games to nations deemed oppressive. well,
not exactly as hitler and moscow got the olympics. and beijing in
2008. but, politics has always been a part of the olympics. if the
olympic committee denies the right to host the olympics to oppressive
nations, why is it wrong for an athlete to express his political views
and act on them?

personally, i think athletes, at least, should put all politics aside.
otherwise, where does this end? should a buddhist not wrestle with a
chinese guy because of tibet?
should east timorese refuse to compete against indonesians? should
westerners refuse to play against muslims because of muslim treatment
of women?

and who the fuc* is an iranian telling us about oppression. his ****
nation is run by the bearded mullahs.

that said, i have a better idea. take the 'nation' out of the
olympics. if the olympic ideal is about the world coming togehter,
then let the athletes march out during opening ceremony according to
the sport, not nation. let the wrestlers march out with fellow
wrestlers, pingpong players with fellow pingpongplayers, etc.

olympics is bull**** because it talks of promoting world peace but we
have blatant nationalism on display, what with flagwaving, national
anthems, etc.

besides, tell me how people from all over the world outrunning,
punching, wrestling, slamming, kicking, outswimming, outjumping, and
outlifting everyone else people of other nations promote peace? did
the olympics promote peace between USA and USSR during the cold war?
no, it only heightened the rivalry.
all nations come to the olympics to defeat other nations. olympics is
athletic warfare among nations.
so take the 'nation' out of the olympics. let it be about
individuals. take out the flag, take out the anthem. just give them
the medal, let them wave, let the crowd cheer and everybody's happy.

when the olympics promote national pride and chauvanism, and then
express shock when some athlete politicizes the olympics, that is
totally bogus.

..s.. ..h..

Thanks for admititng with your choice of newsgroups & your subject header
that supposed anti-Israeli sentiment is really just good old fashioned
Jew-hatred.

Susan


"doublespeakeasy" <doublespeakeasy@hotmail.comwrote in message
news:8a01597a.0408151125.5b284fc5@posting.google.c om...

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Susan Cohen <flaviaR@verizon.netwrote:
it may come as a surprise to you but an anti-Israel sentiment is not the
same as Jew-hatred. Like the good old boys from NOFX sing: don't hate us
because we're American, just hate our government. the same goes for Jews
and Israel. people do see the difference between those things.

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pien
http://www.phil.uu.nl/~pien/blog/

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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:28:21 GMT, Susan Cohen wrote:
How did you get that from the article, you retarded, wannabe Jewish,
stinking cunt? Explain!

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"pien" <pien@xs4all.nlwrote in message
news:1gil31a.ldmaa31yyq5drN%pien@xs4all.nl... header Nice of you to skip the evidence presented in the above statement.
Let me try to make it even clearer to you.
When people post Greek-Israeli Olympic news to soc.culture.jewish *instead*
of soc.culture.israel, it's a sure sign of anti-Jewishness.
When people make sly fun of the word "Jew" it's a sure sign it's
anti-semitism.
Get a clue, will you??

Like the good old boys from NOFX sing: don't hate us Is that why NZ knocked over Jewish gravestones the day after they found out
the Israelis did something stupid?
Is that why people rake Israel over the coals for things they completely
ignore in other countries?
Is that why people lie about Israe the way they don't bother to lie about
other countries?
Grow up & get a clue!!!

Susan

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Susan Cohen <flaviaR@verizon.netwrote:
since when is news a sign of anti-Jewshness? and I don't think the
choice is anti-Jewish, on contrary. what the guy said was interesting
for all Jews, not only for those that live in Israel. did you read what
he was saying? he said that he find the action of the iranian wrestler
stupid. the discussion is not whether Arabs are allowed to refuse to
sport with Israelians. it's about the fact that people should be able to
put their disagreements ***ide when they enterring the Olympics. that's
the whole idea of the Olympics after all.
could you please be a bit less agressive?
people are stupid and disrespectfull. I can't do a thing about that and
so can't you. it's just something we have to live with I'm afraid.
I don't agree with you on those points. I think you are seeing ghosts.
like I said before, one thing doesn't justify the other. if things are
wrong in Israel, people will jugde about that. it has nothing to do with
the situations in other countries.
--
pien
http://www.phil.uu.nl/~pien/blog/

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"doublespeakeasy" <doublespeakeasy@hotmail.comwrote in message
Yeah, its got validity from the perspective of a nazi, too. The Iranian
government should hang their heads in shame, but they are too stupid and
ignorant to know why.

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"pien" <pien@xs4all.nlwrote in message
news:1gil4kq.hhakrllrzrbqN%pien@xs4all.nl... fashioned the *instead* When are you going to learn to read?
I said

POSTING TO THE JEWISH GROUP INSTEAD OF TO THE ISRAEL GROUP is the proof, not
the news itself.

and I don't think the Only if you equate Israel with Jews.
Thanks for proving my point AGAIN.
Yes, I saw that, too.
But my point has been carried.

the discussion is not whether Arabs are allowed to refuse to Could you get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat?
Could you at least pretend you can refute the point instead of sidestepping
it, AGAIN? Jews out Yes, but it proves my point.

I can't do a thing about that and Yes, I know this.
But it is indicative of what I am saying. about Of course you don't, because that would mean you would have to admit that
you do the same things.
Ditto.
What one thing, what other thing?
Oh, never mind.

if things are But not usually fairly.
I've seen it.
But it does show that theyhave definite biases when they ignore in other
countries what they would never ignore in Israel.

Susan

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"Jim Wilson" <cirrus@citlink.netwrote in message
newsqRTc.2916$vX6.1882@news02.roc.ny... Plenty of Iranians are embarr***ed by this.

Susan

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"Jim Wilson" <cirrus@citlink.netwrote in
newsqRTc.2916$vX6.1882@news02.roc.ny:
Do you think for one second that this decision did not come from
Tehran?