Various Topics on Printers

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I think the box says something about including a 1,000-copy cartridge.
Does this mean it's actually a smaller cartridge, or that it's not
filled to capacity? Just checking to see if I'd have to purchase
another empty cartridge, in addition to toner refills at
tonerrefill.com. Thanks!

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"Steve" <a@b.inv> wrote in message
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> >> I think the box says something about including a 1,000-copy cartridge.
> >> Does this mean it's actually a smaller cartridge, or that it's not
> >> filled to capacity? Just checking to see if I'd have to purchase
> >> another empty cartridge, in addition to toner refills at
> >> tonerrefill.com. Thanks!
>
> "Al Gore" <ag@pigs.com> wrote:
> >It's a starter cartridge that's partially filled. The full one is 3000
> >pages.
>
> Thanks Al. I take it the cartridge is exactly the same as the
> replacement cartridges, except that it's only partially filled?
>
> Incidentally, tonerrefillkits.com doesn't have any empty 1710
> cartridges, so I guess you'd hafta purchase a new one, then refill
> it...
>
>
Hi Steve,
I kind of looks like they do carry an empty cartridge, right below the
refill kit. Anyways seems like a good printer. Do you own a 1710 or are you
thinking on buying one? I know they are about $100 after rebate and IR
through August.
http://www.tonerrefillkits.com/refill_products094.htm

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They're exactly the same except that the 3000 page unit weighs slightly more
than the 1000 page unit. The model is ML1710D3/XAA versus ML1710D1/XAA.

> Thanks Al. I take it the cartridge is exactly the same as the
> replacement cartridges, except that it's only partially filled?
>
> Incidentally, tonerrefillkits.com doesn't have any empty 1710
> cartridges, so I guess you'd hafta purchase a new one, then refill
> it...
>
>

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Samsung uses a "Starter Cartridge", a practice a deplore. It's the main
reason I have not brought one of their low-end printers.

Fact is, it's a few bucks worth of crushed plastic, and it's dirty-pool to
pull such shenanigans IMHO.

-Larry

"Steve" <a@b.inv> wrote in message
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> I think the box says something about including a 1,000-copy cartridge.
> Does this mean it's actually a smaller cartridge, or that it's not
> filled to capacity? Just checking to see if I'd have to purchase
> another empty cartridge, in addition to toner refills at
> tonerrefill.com. Thanks!
>

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"Larry" <none@none.com> wrote:
>Samsung uses a "Starter Cartridge", a practice a deplore. It's the main
>reason I have not brought one of their low-end printers.

Yep, that sucks. Just wanted to make sure it's actually the same as
their regular cartridge, just not filled all the way with toner. So I
can at least use refills without having to also purchase a new empty
(or full) cartridge first...

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<< From: Steve a@b.inv
Date: Tue, Aug 5, 2003 2:00 PM
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"Larry" <none@none.com> wrote:
>Samsung uses a "Starter Cartridge", a practice a deplore. It's the main
>reason I have not brought one of their low-end printers.

Yep, that sucks. Just wanted to make sure it's actually the same as
their regular cartridge, just not filled all the way with toner. So I
can at least use refills without having to also purchase a new empty
(or full) cartridge first...
>><BR><BR>
Well, since I bought my Printer for $99.99 after the rebate and in store
discount at best Buy and a new cartridge is $79.95 (Best Buy) I find it fair to
use a partial cartridge to get the unit price down. Heck, if they had put a
full cartridge in the printer the net price for the Laser printer sans the
cartridge would have been only $20.04!

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w_cohen@hotmail.com (Walter Cohen) wrote:
>Hey Steve - I just also purchased this printer at BB. The salesman
>said the starter cart only lasts for about 300-400 pages (not sure I
>believe this though - I think it is more).
>I also need to pick up a USB cable somewhere (just not at BB...)
>So it sounds like you also are going to go the re-fill route via
>tonerrefillkits.com. Anyone vouch for how these refill kits work and
>how messy it is?

Actually, I think I'm gonna take it back and go with the Brother
HL-1440. At about half the cost of consumables, will make up the
price difference in a few months.

As for refill kits, I think it depends on which toner cartridge you're
refilling. Some are messier than others. One tip - don't squeeze the
toner bottle to make it come out faster, unless you wanna be like that
Peanuts character who walked around with a black cloud around him all
day.

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I had looked into the Brother also but the Samsung seemed better made
IMHO.
You must be doing a lot more printing than I am.
I plan on refilling the 'starter' cartridge included in the box and
haven't decided yet if I should go out and also buy an empty
cartridge.

Where you gonna buy the Brother?

Thanks,
Walleye

Steve <a@b.inv> wrote in message news:<ihtdjv07pkginuhnmelcpjmt5el8f1gbp4@4ax.com>. ..
> w_cohen@hotmail.com (Walter Cohen) wrote:
> >Hey Steve - I just also purchased this printer at BB. The salesman
> >said the starter cart only lasts for about 300-400 pages (not sure I
> >believe this though - I think it is more).
> >I also need to pick up a USB cable somewhere (just not at BB...)
> >So it sounds like you also are going to go the re-fill route via
> >tonerrefillkits.com. Anyone vouch for how these refill kits work and
> >how messy it is?
>
> Actually, I think I'm gonna take it back and go with the Brother
> HL-1440. At about half the cost of consumables, will make up the
> price difference in a few months.
>
> As for refill kits, I think it depends on which toner cartridge you're
> refilling. Some are messier than others. One tip - don't squeeze the
> toner bottle to make it come out faster, unless you wanna be like that
> Peanuts character who walked around with a black cloud around him all
> day.

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Steve (a@b.inv) writes:
> w_cohen@hotmail.com (Walter Cohen) wrote:
>>You must be doing a lot more printing than I am.
>>I plan on refilling the 'starter' cartridge included in the box and
>>haven't decided yet if I should go out and also buy an empty
>>cartridge.
>
> Not sure if the starter cartridge is the same as their standard
> cartridges. It's only maybe 2-3,000 pages before you've pretty much
> made up the price diff. Not sure where I'm gonna buy it, depends on
> when the Epson ****s out...
>


How about CompUSA this week, $100 after rebates? I have an
earlier Lexmark-branded Samsung that works like a charm.

Brendan
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Has anyone experimented with refilling the 1710 drum with the off
brand Universal kit #6. This kit works with the printers listed
below. Unfortunately the 1710 is not in the list. It would seem
strange that the 1700 series is the only one that is not compatible
with this kit. If it were to work we could cut our cost from about
$75 for one drum/toner kit from Samsung to about $38 for two refills
including tool to punch the hole. Based upon 3000 sheet from each
alternative the cost per sheet would be about $.025 for Samsung
original to $.00633 per sheet. After the completion of the second
refill we would need to get a new ML1710D3/XAA by Samsung.

I wrote to Samsung to find out the expected capacity of the drum that
came with the unit. When i get the "official" answer i will post it
here.



ML Series
85, 85G, 1010, 1020M, 1210, 1220M, 1250, 4500, 4600, 5000A, 5050G,
5100A, 6000, 6040, 6050, 6060, 6060N, 6100, 6100N, 7000, 7000N, 7000P,
7050

MSYS-5100 & 7800

OML 680A & 8630A

QL Series
5100A, 6000A, 6050A, 6100, Quicklaser, Quicklaser 5100A, Quicklaser
84, Quicklaser 85 & 85G

SF Series
5100 & 5100P

Thanks


On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:55:19 -0700, Steve <a@b.inv> wrote:

>I think the box says something about including a 1,000-copy cartridge.
>Does this mean it's actually a smaller cartridge, or that it's not
>filled to capacity? Just checking to see if I'd have to purchase
>another empty cartridge, in addition to toner refills at
>tonerrefill.com. Thanks!