Programming

On 7 Jun, 20:10, Al Balmer <> wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:23:02 -0700, wrote:
> >On Jun 7, 5:37 pm, "Jürgen Exner" <> wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> > If you're mad about software riddles, just have a look at
> >> > yourself or
> >> > invite your friends to join.
>
> >> I suppose the first riddle is to find out how to use that web page. In
> >> short: poor design because it gives no indication to the user what to do
> >> next or in this case where to start.
>
> >You're absolutely wrong! Where to start is clearly shown. Thousands of
> >people have succeed so far..
>
> I couldn't find it, either. I suspect that you're using some html
> which is not interpreted by Firefox.

Same here. Perhaps finding the challenge is part of the challenge.
Or perhaps it has to do with parsing the source code of the page.
But anyway I don't like cryptic riddles.

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:29:40 -0700, yanosc wrote:

> If you're mad about software riddles, just have a look at
> and challenge yourself or
> invite your friends to join.

That site appears to be badly broken. Tried it in Firefox and Opera and
the only links (appart from the "Relevant Link" section) appear to lead
to jpegs.

--
Lionel B

Keith Thompson said:

> writes:
>> On Jun 7, 5:37 pm, "Jürgen Exner" <> wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>> > If you're mad about software riddles, just have a look at
>>> > challenge yourself or
>>> > invite your friends to join.
>>>
>>> I suppose the first riddle is to find out how to use that web page.
>>> In short: poor design because it gives no indication to the user
>>> what to do next or in this case where to start.
>>
>> You're absolutely wrong! Where to start is clearly shown. Thousands
>> of people have succeed so far..
> [...]
>
> Ok, I think I figured out how to proceed from the first page. (I
> won't post details, just in case anyone actually cares about solving
> it.)
>
> The resulting page shows an image, which I suppose might mean
> something, but I have no idea where I'm supposed to go from there.
>
> Maybe I'm missing something really clever, but the whole thing looks
> boring and frustrating.
>
> Incidentally, your Terms of Use page says, among other things:
>
> By accessing or using this Site in any way, including, without
> limitation, using or downloading any Content, or merely browsing
> the Site, you agree to and are bound by the Terms of Use.
>
> For the record, I do not agree to any such terms.

Likewise. Furthermore, that's an illegal contract, and has no legal
validity. It's okay to say "here are the terms of use - if you don't
like them, go away", but that's not what he's doing. He's opening a
shop on the High Street, waiting for people to come through the door
out of curiosity, and then saying to them "by coming through that door,
you have agreed to the Terms of Use for this shop", which might be
anything - e.g. Para 17) You agree to hand over ALL your money to the
shopkeeper, in return for a small plastic toy of no significant value
whatsoever.

I have no doubt that the OP will be eager to learn from this, and will
change his Terms of Use page forthwith.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999

email: rjh at the above domain, - www.

On Jun 8, 12:51 pm, Richard Heathfield <> wrote:
> Keith Thompson said:
>
> Likewise. Furthermore, that's an illegal contract, and has no legal
> validity. It's okay to say "here are the terms of use - if you don't
> like them, go away", but that's not what he's doing. He's opening a
> shop on the High Street, waiting for people to come through the door
> out of curiosity, and then saying to them "by coming through that door,
> you have agreed to the Terms of Use for this shop", which might be
> anything - e.g. Para 17) You agree to hand over ALL your money to the
> shopkeeper, in return for a small plastic toy of no significant value
> whatsoever.
>

You're TOTALLY WRONG ! I have not opened any shop! This site is NOT a
shop and there is NOTHING TO BUY there and if you don't like it, just
don't use it. I don't make any money from this site. Nevertheless,
this site is protected by copyrights and nobody is authorized to
infringe them.

I must say that I really don't understand the surge of violence for
such a matter. I've used Google Pages Creator for the home page of
this site. The purpose of GPC is to free the content producer from the
boring HTML. I have absolutely no control of the HTML generated. But
Mr. Hearthfield has consciously decided to insult me just because
there is a 1700 characters-long line of HTML (a markup language, not a
programming language) in a page.

Do you really encourage teaching by insult?

Do you really teach you kids by calling them fools?

Do you respect yourself if you don't respect others?

Skills without human values and respect for people are not valuable.

The Author.


> I have no doubt that the OP will be eager to learn from this, and will
> change his Terms of Use page forthwith.
>

The contract is governed by the Law of France, dear!

> --
> Richard Heathfield
> "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999http://www.cpax.org.uk
> email: rjh at the above domain, - www.

In comp.lang.perl.misc Lionel B <> wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:29:40 -0700, yanosc wrote:
>
>> If you're mad about software riddles, just have a look at
>> and challenge yourself or
>> invite your friends to join.
>
> That site appears to be badly broken. Tried it in Firefox and Opera and
> the only links (appart from the "Relevant Link" section) appear to lead
> to jpegs.

I think the creator mistakenly believes this is part of a software riddle.

writes:

> On Jun 8, 12:51 pm, Richard Heathfield <> wrote:
>> Keith Thompson said:
>>
>> Likewise. Furthermore, that's an illegal contract, and has no legal
>> validity. It's okay to say "here are the terms of use - if you don't
>> like them, go away", but that's not what he's doing. He's opening a
>> shop on the High Street, waiting for people to come through the door
>> out of curiosity, and then saying to them "by coming through that door,
>> you have agreed to the Terms of Use for this shop", which might be
>> anything - e.g. Para 17) You agree to hand over ALL your money to the
>> shopkeeper, in return for a small plastic toy of no significant value
>> whatsoever.
>>
>
> You're TOTALLY WRONG !

Shouting hardly ever makes you case stronger.

> Nevertheless,
> this site is protected by copyrights and nobody is authorized to
> infringe them.

That goes without saying and has nothing to do with your attempt to
impose extra terms of use. Your site is protected by copyright simply
by your hostinghostinghostingerting that right.

<snip>
> I must say that I really don't understand the surge of violence for
> such a matter.

Ah well, live and learn.

<snip>
> The contract is governed by the Law of France, dear!

Where do contracts come into it? Do you think you can cause someone
to enter into a contract with you simply by browsing a published website?

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--
Ben.

On Jun 8, 3:40 pm, wrote:

> On Jun 8, 12:51 pm, Richard Heathfield <> wrote:

> > Likewise. Furthermore, that's an illegal contract, and has no legal
> > validity. It's okay to say "here are the terms of use - if you don't
> > like them, go away", but that's not what he's doing. He's opening a
> > shop on the High Street, waiting for people to come through the door
> > out of curiosity, and then saying to them "by coming through that door,
> > you have agreed to the Terms of Use for this shop", which might be
> > anything - e.g. Para 17) You agree to hand over ALL your money to the
> > shopkeeper, in return for a small plastic toy of no significant value
> > whatsoever.

> You're TOTALLY WRONG ! I have not opened any shop! This site is NOT a
> shop and there is NOTHING TO BUY there and if you don't like it, just
> don't use it. I don't make any money from this site. Nevertheless,
> this site is protected by copyrights and nobody is authorized to
> infringe them.

I think you have to be more upfront.

Please let me explain:

You offer a service (game, riddle, whatever...) on the internet by
giving access to a single page with the address of
, whether you take money for
your services or not does not matter.

I could not find any terms of use on this page, but I found a hint
(which in effect is a riddle in itself) displayed somewhere halfway
down the page: "[...] To access riddles term, imitate salmons willing
to spawn [...]".

So I had to solve the first riddle before accessing the terms and
conditions.

I think your web site is a great idea and I liked the second riddle,
but you have to be upfront about the terms and conditions on the first
page.

On Jun 8, 5:23 pm, wrote:
> On Jun 8, 3:40 pm, wrote:
>
>
> Please let me explain:
>
> You offer a service (game, riddle, whatever...) on the internet by
> giving access to a single page with the address ofhttp://software.challenge.googlepages.com, whether you take money for
> your services or not does not matter.
>
> I could not find any terms of use on this page, but I found a hint
> (which in effect is a riddle in itself) displayed somewhere halfway
> down the page: "[...] To access riddles term, imitate salmons willing
> to spawn [...]".
>
> So I had to solve the first riddle before accessing the terms and
> conditions.
>
> I think your web site is a great idea and I liked the second riddle,
> but you have to be upfront about the terms and conditions on the first
> page.

Thank you for your comments.

The Terms of Use are of course accessible from the main page.

The link is located at the bottom of the page. This may be the reason
why you've not seen it. It's probably a matter of scrolling.
I've generally noticed that websites put their Terms of Use at this
location, but I've no problem to put it in first place of the page.

My intention is absolutely not to mislead anybody, but to make people
have fun through programming.

Kindly. Thierry

On Jun 8, 5:23 pm, wrote:
> On Jun 8, 3:40 pm, wrote:
>
> I could not find any terms of use on this page, but I found a hint
> (which in effect is a riddle in itself) displayed somewhere halfway
> down the page: "[...] To access riddles term, imitate salmons willing
> to spawn [...]".
>

I think I've understood the confusion. When I've written "to access
the riddles term", it means to access the riddles specs and not the
Terms of Use of the site, whose the link is at the bottom of the main
page!

Thierry

John Smith wrote:
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> John Smith said:
>>
>>
>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>
>>>> said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you're mad about software riddles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who puts almost 1700 characters on a single line has a lot to
>>>> learn about writing good software.
>>>>
>>>> For the benefit of the paranoid (or those with weird newsreaders), I
>>>> have replaced all < and > with [ and ], but otherwise what follows is
>>>> a verbatim quote of a single line from that page. And well, I mean
>>>> look at it... I mean... REALLY! Sheesh, etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What is the positive value of remarks like these? The OP is
>>> well-intentioned and the site is functional.
>>
>>
>> It is? How strange. It crashed my browser, so I couldn't tell.
>
> It works fine with mine. Try Mozilla Firefox.
>

Not really. The line contains 114024 characters and it is impossible to
select it in the Firefox's source viewer. To do that I had to use...
Internet Explorer...

But I'm not going to say:
"It works fine with mine. Try Internet Explorer."

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Grzegorz Wróbel

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