Various Topics on Python

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Xah Lee wrote:
[mountains of irrelevant drivel which normal people would boil down to
"I don't understand the doi***entation]. Even then, I'd still be on the
side of the do***entation.

> The answer to the questions are resounding yeses, you ****ing ***es.
>
> paypal me a hundred dollars and i'll rewrite the whole re doc in a few
> hours.
>
I will personally pay you a hundred dollars if you can find enough time
between now and this time next week - you should be able to find "a few
hours" in 168 without unduly conveniencing yourself.

The condition for winning the prize is that at least five regular
posters to c.l.py have to mail me and saythey think your version is better.

If no such do***ent gets produced, we must ***ume you are too busy?

> **** you the standard IT morons. Excuse me for i didn't have time to
> write a more coherent and detailed analysis of the stupidities of the
> re doc.

I have learned not to expect coherent and detailed analysis, so I have
managed to contain my disappointment.

non-standard-moronical-ly y'rs - steve
--
Steve Holden +1 703 861 4237 +1 800 494 3119
Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/
Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/

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Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
> Hi All--
>
> Richie Hindle wrote:
>
>>[Xah]
>>
>>>mother****ing ... ****ing ... ****ing ... ****ing ... **** ... ****ing
>>>****ing ... ****ing ... mother ****ing ... ****ing ... piece of **** ...
>>>mother****ing ... ****ing ... ****ing ... big ***hole ... masturbation ...
>>>****ing morons ... ****ing stupid ... ****head coders ... ****heads ...
>>>you ****ing ***es.
>>
>>>paypal me a hundred dollars and i'll rewrite the whole re doc in a few
>>>hours.
>>
>>Can we paypal you a hundred dollars to leave us alone? I'll pledge $10.
>>Are there another nine people here who'll do the same?
>>
>>
>
> Why don't we pay him $100 to re-write the PERL docs?

+1 !

--
bruno desthuilliers
python -c "print '@'.join(['.'.join([w[::-1] for w in p.split('.')]) for
p in 'onurb@xiludom.gro'.split('@')])"

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"runes" <rune.strand@gmail.com> wrote:

> I found the Howto through Google. Somehow I didn't see that link in the
> do***entation.
>
> And please do not make any ***umptions about my reading of manuals.

if you were unable to find a link in the do***entation you were reading, can you
perhaps suggest a better place to put that link?

</F>

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Seems like criticising the manual is som kind of heresy. So be it.

You know, the Re do***entation contains many pages. Ufortunately I
didn't dwell with the first introductory paragraph, I was trying to
solve a particular problem. I'm not that used to looking for links to
external sources in the manual either. Unable? I wasn't looking for a
Howto in the manual. And frankly, 'python regex howto" in Google is
quicker way.

Of course I cannot suggest a better place for the link.

Writing technical do***ents always trigger the question: Who is the
audience. I accept that I may not be the primary audience. If I should
suggest anything, it would be that the examples section is expanded.

Generally: I have got my experiences with the Python Manual over the
the last 30 months Python beeing my preferred language. One of them is
that I have to look elsewhere.

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runes wrote:
> Seems like criticising the manual is som kind of heresy. So be it.
>
Don't think so, but this being open source I suspect that Fredrik was
trying to get them improved.

> You know, the Re do***entation contains many pages. Ufortunately I
> didn't dwell with the first introductory paragraph, I was trying to
> solve a particular problem. I'm not that used to looking for links to
> external sources in the manual either. Unable? I wasn't looking for a
> Howto in the manual. And frankly, 'python regex howto" in Google is
> quicker way.
>
Right, so you found what you needed, you just think it should be
referenced from the main docs. I think this is a good idea.

> Of course I cannot suggest a better place for the link.
>
Come on, of course you can. All you need to say is whereabouts in the re
do***entation it should mention the How-To.

> Writing technical do***ents always trigger the question: Who is the
> audience. I accept that I may not be the primary audience. If I should
> suggest anything, it would be that the examples section is expanded.
>
Again, you would be a good candidate to suggest changes, since you've
just been learning that part of Python.

> Generally: I have got my experiences with the Python Manual over the
> the last 30 months Python beeing my preferred language. One of them is
> that I have to look elsewhere.
>
But anyone is allowed to suggest improvements. Please don't be deterred
because you think people were trying to put you off. The do***entation
contains links for suggesting improvements. That is a working channel
for criticism and suggestion (and it's how many others first got their
names in the python do***entation, including myself). See

http://docs.python.org/doc/doc.html
http://docs.python.org/doc/about.html

regards
Steve
--
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Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/
Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/

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Pokerface schrieb:
> Gotta say, is we let this man write the docs for us, they'll sure as
> sugar be more colorful than the ones we presently have, even if he
> doesn't manage to make them better.
>
> "The [insert relation]****ing Python interpreter is usually installed
> as /usr/local/bin/python on those g*dd*mn machines where it is
> available; putting /usr/local/bin in your ****ing Unix shell's search
> path makes it possible to start it by typing the command python to the
> shell. F***er."
>
>
Please think of people with other native languages who can possibly read
the existing do***entation without a dictionary but would certainly need
one for this.

Koczian

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runes wrote:

> Generally: I have got my experiences with the Python Manual over the
> the last 30 months Python beeing my preferred language. One of them is
> that I have to look elsewhere.

I've gotten great help from this newsgroup. By following these steps:

1. Read the docs at http://docs.python.org/modindex.html
2. Trail & Error testing.
3. If 2 doesn't work or if I don't fully understand how it's working, I
post a message here asking for help and clarification.

I've never been disappointed with the help I've received here. There
will always be a few wise guys who like to make snide remarks and give
arrogant answers, but it has been my experience that 95% of the people
who answer do so with a very helpful, encouraging attitude.

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Xah Lee wrote:
> http://python.org/doc/2.4.1/lib/module-re.html
> http://python.org/doc/2.4.1/lib/node114.html
>
> ---------
> QUOTE
> The module defines several functions, constants, and an exception. Some
> of the functions are simplified versions of the full featured methods
> for compiled regular expressions. Most non-trivial applications always
> use the compiled form
> UNQUOTE
>
>
> What does a programer who wants to use regex gets out from this piece
> of mother****ing irrevalent drivel?

Until now, I have regarded you as a mildly amusing moron.

But now I find you're simply illiterate.

Buh-bye.

--
John W. Kennedy
A proud member of the reality-based community.

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Steve, thank you for givig me those links. I'll go there if I manage to
structure an improvement suggestion.

And about the link to the Howto: I suppose many people don't read the
manual from a to z but with a particular problem in mind. Hence the
link could ble locateded several places, perhaps referencing to an
exact and relevant section of the Howto.

Rune

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runes wrote:
> Steve, thank you for givig me those links. I'll go there if I manage to
> structure an improvement suggestion.
>
RTFM :-) [The links came from the do***entation]

> And about the link to the Howto: I suppose many people don't read the
> manual from a to z but with a particular problem in mind. Hence the
> link could ble locateded several places, perhaps referencing to an
> exact and relevant section of the Howto.
>
> Rune
>
That's great. There are any number of folk on this list that will help
you provide something of lasting value to the community, and Fred Drake
is always busy enough to appreciate help! These days you can overlay
your own "virtual index" on the Internet content, simply referring to
the published pages as hypertext resources.

I have my own concerns about the do***entation, but happily nothing that
stops me from finding it useful on a daily basis. [Having been a reader
for five years doesn't hurt, but by no means exhausts the learning
potential of these do***ents].

regards
Steve
--
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Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/
Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/