Various Topics on Toyota

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"Eric Dreher" <ericd|@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 23:02:22 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> >> LOL....ya ain't dodgin the war if you are in the military. Ever hear
> >> of National Guard being called up during war?
> >
> >During the 70's in Vietnam? Virtually none of the National Guard
> >saw service. Now - today - it's a completely different Guard.
>
> That'll be of interest to the 6,140 families who had members who
> served. Not to speak of the 101 deaths, whose names are on
> the Wall.
>
> http://www.25thaviation.org/id275.htm
>
> Once again, a lefty-loony visits his proctologist, and publicly
> displays from whence his "facts" emanate.
>

Facts are lost on you. What is the percentage compared to
people in regular Army. Also most were from the ARMY national
Guard. Bush served in the AIR national guard were he had
essentially zero chance of serving.

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"MDT Tech®" <ssauer40@repaimen.com> wrote in message
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> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> LOL....ya ain't dodgin the war if you are in the military. Ever hear
> >> of National Guard being called up during war?
> >
> >
> > During the 70's in Vietnam? Virtually none of the National Guard
> > saw service. Now - today - it's a completely different Guard.
> >
>
> So the question is "did he serve his country" and did Clinton? Is there
> a difference between the two?
>
Not really. Personally I don't have a problem with either ones decisions
during the war, only with the people who try to make a issue from it and
use twisted logic to make either one look bad and the other good, whether
it's trying to demonize a man who served his country and followed
his conscious after the war, or trying to dig up some garbage about GWB
being AWOL.

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>> >FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
>> >1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.



Have you ever heard of a ship called
"Rueben James"?

Hitler foolishly declared war on us after Japan did.

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Scott in Florida wrote:

> ....and WHAT did you do to serve our country...???????

I was too young at the time.

I am now too old to join currently. Somehow they don't
want anyone over 30 anymore - go figure.

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Tha Ghee wrote:

> no only 101 is not a lot of deaths, and 6,140 is not a lot of service men
> based on the large amounts of troops we sent over there. Or can you not
> count or divide??

I;m not minimizing their deaths by any means, but the totals:

http://members.aol.com/WarLibrary/vwc0.htm
2,100,000 people served. 58,152 died.

Army 1,407,000 people served. 38,179 died.
Reserves 6140 people saw combat. 101 died.
(note hundreds of thousands of Guard members never went overseas)

Everyone KNEW what the point of joining The Guard was at the
time - to have virtially no chance of actually seeing combat.

**Casualties**
Status USA % USMC % USN % USAF %
Vol'teer 16374 (48.8) 12784 (91.9) 1764 (91.6) 808 (89.1)
Drafted 16964 (50.5) 683 (4.9) -- --
Reserve 69 (.2) 406 (2.9) 148 (7.6) 1 (0.1)
NatlGuard 68 (.2) -- -- 1 (0.1)
Unknown 69 (.2) 25 (0.1) 13 (0.6) 96 (10.5)

Um - the last two are barely a blip on the radar. This site says that
only 69 National Guard members died, and only ONE from the air National
Guard.

One Air National Guard member died in combat? In the whole war?
But - yeah - go on believing that Bush wasn't hiding out.

**note from the page in question**
Data and anaylsis compiled by William F. Abbott from figures obtained
shortly after the construction of the Vietnam War Memorial