Various Topics on Windows Vista

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"Rick wrote:

>Right, it is a recursive mess. My point is that in order to resolve it you
>need to figure out what software on your system is trying to make a 'real'
>folder out of it (as it is a designated system shortcut, this is not
>possible). The properties of the folders, or the lowest level one, might
>give clues.
>
>Another thought is to run process explorer and see what software is
>accessing that location:
microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/proces***plorer.mspx
>

>this is the recursive mess
>>C:\Users\user_you\AppData\Local\Application Data\Application Data\Application
>>Data\Application Data
>and it goes on and on and on...

And this isn't happening on your Vista ?

This Vista is moving into the same situation I had with XP. I feel a cascading
failure coming on.
It killed a wallpaper gadget that's been working for awhile now the otherday.
Installing the new TV updates went to ****. Apple updated Itunes and it failed
to install correctly. Itunes worked with a download install. I used system
restore on XP. Went to using Acronis instead. Haven't tried a system restore on
vista yet, but what I heard the other day should confirm that vista's system
restore is as bad if not worse than the XP version.
But then why shouldn't it be Vista is just a clone of XP with a shiny wrapper.

I've always felt that M$ updates were the problem with most failures.
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> But then why shouldn't it be Vista is just a clone of XP with a shiny
> wrapper.

No, it isn't, and that's the problem. If you install software into Vista
using the same default directories it installed into on earlier versions,
then the software doesn't always work, plus it can sometimes break other
programs trying to use files/folders that the malfunctioning software
install has messed up. That's why several people are suggesting a bit of
research to discover -what- program caused the mess in the first place, so
we can help you fix it, and then fix the other problems it caused.

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:35:17 -0400, <here@home.again> wrote:
>> But then why shouldn't it be Vista is just a clone of XP with a shiny
>> wrapper.
>
>No, it isn't, and that's the problem. If you install software into Vista
>using the same default directories it installed into on earlier versions,
>then the software doesn't always work, plus it can sometimes break other
>programs trying to use files/folders that the malfunctioning software
>install has messed up. That's why several people are suggesting a bit of
>research to discover -what- program caused the mess in the first place, so
>we can help you fix it, and then fix the other problems it caused.
>

They moved some directories around, added a few more bells and whistles, but
Vista is pretty much a clone of XP. An improved version, but pretty much the
same thing.

I'm using that process explorer, but it has nothing to do with any folders that
I can see, or how to find out what's causing this recursive mess.

FWIW: I see folders in advanced mode which might explain why I see thisfolder
and others don't..
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Hi,

> And this isn't happening on your Vista ?

No, it's not happening on any Vista system that I handle.

> It killed a wallpaper gadget that's been working for awhile now the other
> day.
Installing the new TV updates went to ****. Apple updated Itunes and it
failed
to install correctly. Itunes worked with a download install.

Well, all sorts of people have been having trouble with Apple software on
Vista, and it's mainly because compatible versions weren't released until
after Vista went into retail. People were not patient enough to wait for
Apple to do what they should have done and installed, or attempted to
install, the older software versions. Many had to format and start over due
to the damage. The same problem can be ascribed to some other software as
well. Basically, something you installed or attempted to install went
bellyup, and what you are seeing is the result of it.

You've got two ways to deal with it, as it's really not doing anything other
than "being there". If it was locking your system up with a loop, then it'd
be a problem, but I don't get the impression that it is. You can ignore it,
or you can restore it.

> I used system restore on XP. Went to using Acronis instead. Haven't tried
> a system restore on vista yet, but what I heard the other day should
> confirm that vista's system restore is as bad if not worse than the XP
> version.

It's much better, but the basic functionality of it will never be as good as
something like Acronis or other third party software whose only concern is
making and restoring an image backup.

> But then why shouldn't it be Vista is just a clone of XP with a shiny
> wrapper.

No, it's not, not even close. And I'm not talking about the UI, I'm talking
about what's under the hood.

> I've always felt that M$ updates were the problem with most failures.

Actually, the #1 problem is non-compliant device driver files. Mostly
unsigned ones that users force into the system. Then they wonder why the
system goes all higgedly-piggedly. Using software versions not suitable for
the OS is the #2 problem, but it lags far behind the first as there is a lot
of backwards compatibility built in to handle this. Driver files, though
they are bits of software just like programs, have to be written for the OS
they are installed on. Use of ones designed for a different OS will nearly
always cause some instability.

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Best of Luck,

Rick

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Rick Rogers wrote:


>> It killed a wallpaper gadget that's been working for awhile now the other
>> day.
The wallpaper gadget now works.

the recursive directory is still ridiculous. But the fact is it was happening
on another machine. Here in this group. I have no idea what the thread was or
if it was fixed.
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I just noted that I have the same problem in my Vista Home Premium, i.e.
a cascading series of Application Data shortcuts under
User/Appdata/Local/.... I deleted the second occurrance of Application
Data in the cascade. A message came up saying that "...the shortcut
didn't exists probably because it was directed to a network..." . I said
OK. Closed Windows Explorer, reopened it and the cascading shortcuts are
gone.

:smile:


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louispa1153 wrote:

>
>I just noted that I have the same problem in my Vista Home Premium, i.e.
>a cascading series of Application Data shortcuts under
>User/Appdata/Local/.... I deleted the second occurrance of Application
>Data in the cascade. A message came up saying that "...the shortcut
>didn't exists probably because it was directed to a network..." . I said
>OK. Closed Windows Explorer, reopened it and the cascading shortcuts are
>gone.
>
>:smile:

You got lucky. I did the same thing. and the mess still exists.
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